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July 31[edit]

{{WA stub}}/{{Wa-stub}} (redirect)/Cat:WikiAfrica Stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Deleted by Grutness. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unproposed, very badly formatted, very badly named stub template linking into very badly named stub category - which, by its title, appears to either collect stubs about Wa, WA, or WikiAfrica. Presumably its purpose is to collect stub types about Africa (for which there is already a very well-formed stub-tree) for a subject-specific WikiProject which has failed to read the instructions about the difference between stub templates and assessment banners. Delete. Grutness...wha? 03:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is not just a stub-template to mark stubs in main namespace, and it is not WikiProject assessment banner for adding to talkpages of related articles. Maybe it is something like {{AFC submission}} in Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation, but {{WA stub}} is only for marking, not for requests or submissions. It is a special template for marking stubs of newcomers in WikiAfrica Project, and it would be used only in WP namespace to collect such stubs in Cat:WikiAfrica Stubs. In this template there would be a short instruction how newcomer can get help of project's members, and project's members would help newcomers to write an appropriate article for main namespace (wikification, sources, references, style, etc.), so it is planned to use bot to find and mark by this template all stubs in prefix WP:WikiAfrica/Stubs. If it is not recommended to use "stub" in template name, maybe it can be renamed into another name? Dmitry89 (talk) 09:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Venezuela-architect-stub[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Deleted by Grutness. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unused stub template. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Vanuatu-boxing-bio-stub[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Deleted by Grutness. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unused stub template. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Vermont-university-stub[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep - now in use

Unused stub template. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

US University stubs are still in the process of being sorted by state. This is now in use on three articles and will probably have more soon. Grutness...wha? 03:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A quick sort-through of the NE-US university stubs bumped it up to 13 stubs. Grutness...wha? 03:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 28[edit]

Stub tags for Category:Australian politician stubs subcats[edit]

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The result of the discussion was oppose renaming. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming:

Rationalle: Per standard stub naming policies - these aren't Australian members of the X party, they're members of the Australian X party. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:03, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose as currently proposed. The current form is more or less the standard - have a look at the recent proposals for Australian, Swedish and Dutch politician stub splits, which have all been of this format (as have similar ones for New Zealand). There is some confusion, since UK and Canadian ones use the format Foo-UK-politician-stub and Foo-Canadianprovince-politician-stub... It would in some ways make sense to used the UK/Canada form as standard, as they are subtypes of (e.g.,) Australia-politician-stub and may be better at (e.g.,) Labor-Australia-politician-stub. But the currently proposed new name isn't going to help and is just going to make a third variation. Grutness...wha? 01:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The current form reads as "Australian politician of the (Australian) Labor Party"; the proposal would invent an "Australia Labor Party" which does not and has never existed. Orderinchaos 22:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nunavut politician stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was upmerge without prejudge for recreation once threshold is met.

I propose Upmerging this category for now - the category only has 42 stubs in it, and a scan only finds 4 more. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose 46 is so close to the threshold that it will likely meet the guidelines in a short time.--TM 04:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that if the current findable population is below 50, then we should upmerged without prejudge for recreation once enough population is tagged with the apprpriate stub tag. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 17:48, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 26[edit]

{{English-engineer-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

Looks like our very own Od Mishehu slipped up with the naming of this one :)... which by stub NGs should be at {{England-engineer-stub}}. Rename - first preference would be to lose the current name rather than keeping it as a redirect (we have very few "English-" redirects, and they're all pretty much deprecated to the point of deletion). Grutness...wha? 13:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Rename to {{England-engineer-stub}} sounds logical to me. - Al Lemos (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Unused redirects[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

...on the subject of which (see above) here are three of those "English" redirects - all unused.

{{English-military-bio-stub}}
{{English-mil-bio-stub}}
{{English-hist-stub}}

All deleteable? Grutness...wha? 13:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And another one: {{English-bio-stub}} - it was used on about a dozen articles, none of them edited for a considerable time. Now empty. Grutness...wha? 13:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Viceroys in Canada stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, defaulting to as is. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that we rename this category to Category:Canadian viceroy stubs, as the wording of the current name is odd - not one of the articles is about a viceroy in Canada stub. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, though a better name would be a good idea. The permcat is at Cat:Viceroys in Canada, so as to allow for Governors of New France and British North America, which the proposed rename would implicitly rule out. Grutness...wha? 01:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Cat:Seinfeld episode stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was upmerge

Looks like someone's made a pretty comprehensive effort to improve WP's Seinfeld articles - this now only contains a dozen or so articles, and can happily be upmerged. Grutness...wha? 01:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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{{Alternative-song-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delted by Grutness. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not what you think it is. Despite the name, which suggests it's a stub template for alternative song aticles, it's actually a one-use variant of {{Stub category}}, and therefore both misnamed and redundant. Delete. Grutness...wha? 01:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 23[edit]

Cat:1980s death metal album stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was upmerge

I performed catscan cross-search between Cat:Death metal albums and each of the decade categories (e.g., Cat:1980s albums). I was only able to find 30 or so albums where the genre was definitely indicated as death metal or something similar. Propose upmerging the template to Cat:Death metal album stubs and Cat:1980s heavy metal album stubs and deleting the category. Dawynn (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Eurovision stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename category and keep main template; delete other two. Still needs to be populated - deletion may still be an option if it does not reach threshold

We seem to have acquired a set of unproposed stub types for Eurovision:

{{Eurovision-stub}} / Cat:Eurovision stubs — upmerge
{{Eurovision-junior-stub}} (upmerged) — delete
{{Eurovision-dance-stub}} (upmerged) — delete

While the first type is plausibly viable, I see little point in the upmerged types. Cat:Eurovision Dance Contest only has a handful of articles, so the chances of requiring a separate template seem slim, to say the least, and what's more their naming goes against stub naming conventions. We don't have a junior-stub for Eurovision-junior-stub to be a subtype of, and it would be a pretty weird thing to have anyway. Since Junior and Dance are capitalised in the titmes, the correct names, if needed, would be EurovisionJunior-stub and EurovisionDance-stub, but deletion of these two types seems more practical, especially since between the two of them they are used on only one stub. The main one ({{Eurovision-stub}}/Cat:Eurovision stubs)... certainly the template seems to make sense, but unless it's clear that it will get more use than it's currently getting, it may need upmerging. Seems like this may be a case of a brand new WikiProject which didn't read the instructions... Grutness...wha? 01:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 22[edit]

Cat:Ukrainian classical pianist stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Upmerge as undersized. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting category, upmerging template. 14 articles in stub cat. Only 36 articles in perm cat, but many are beyond stub size. A conservative review of all articles did not turn up any additional stubs. Dawynn (talk) 14:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: It's a useful category for expanding articles. Don't delete.--Sanya3 (talk) 10:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the stubs can easily be upmerged into the parent (which is also woefully undersized - in fact the whole Ukrainian musician tree needs work). No way this can currently reach threshold. Grutness...wha? 05:27, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: In general the categories are for users to see similar articles, and I think that looking at the stubs doesn't give any examples of good articles for that category.Divide et Impera (talk) 17:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Cat:Canadian clergy stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was refactor per nom

I was filling in the stub list when I ran across this anomaly. The title does not specifically say 'Christian', so this could be open to other faiths. So, without a proper review, it cannot simply be placed under Cat:Christian clergy stubs, with the American and British categories. On the other hand, the title does specify clergy, so it is not as open as just a 'religious biography' category (see Cat:Religious biography stubs). However, this makes Canada the only country to carry a non-faith-specific 'clergy' category.

I propose:

  1. Building Cat:Canadian religious biography stubs with {{Canada-reli-bio-stub}}.
  2. Renaming this category to Cat:Canadian Christian clergy stubs and the template to {{Canada-Christian-clergy-stub}}.
  3. A review of all of the articles here. Any non-Christian clergy should be moved out to the reli-bio category for now.
  4. A review of the articles and subcategories in Cat:Canadian people by religion for help to fill in the reli-bio category.

Dawynn (talk) 03:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Sounds a reasonable solution. At a quick glacne they seem overwhelmingly Christian, BTW - though the odd one or two may prove tricky. Looks like there may be enough to also consider a {{Canada-bishop-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 21[edit]

House of Representatives stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

Propose renaming:

Rationalle: The current category names are ambiguous - they could easily refer to members of the United States House of Representatives representing each state. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 19[edit]

{{Nh-politician stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete A redirect to {{NewHampshire-politician-stub}} which not only violates the current convention for stub tags related to New Hampshire (if that was all, then with 59 transclusions I would say just keep it as a redirect), but even our basic rule of no spaces in stub tag names. I think that this stub tag should be deleted, with all uses being replaced with {{NewHampshire-politician-stub}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Don't know about anyone else, but my first thought (once I'd got over the lower case h) was the New Hebrides, i.e., Vanuatu. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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{{GreatFrenchWar-stub}} / Category:Great French War stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete/rename/upmerge per Grutness's suggestion

Delete; or possible rename? The article Great French War was recently deleted as a neologism. Whether this template and category can be salvaged by being renamed to something else, I do not know as I am a non-expert in this area. (Possibly Category:Napoleonic War stubs?) There are currently 35 articles that use the template and the category is a parent category to Category:Napoleonic battle stubs. The non-stub parent category is also nominated here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A suggestion - in order to get this one off the books:
Sound reasonable? Grutness...wha? 01:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and retag per Grutness. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 14:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (nominator). I think Grutness's suggestions here are good ones. I endorse them as something I would support to resolve this issue. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 18[edit]

Cat:Ball game stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete cat, redirect template

Please review the text at ball game. If we use the American English rendering, all of the current articles would need to be cleared from here, and Cat:baseball stubs, Cat:basketball stubs and Cat:football stubs would need to be subcategorized here. But each of those sports can very well stand on their own under Cat:Sports stubs by sport. Following the British English rendtion, we would need to move significantly more categories under here. Baseball, basketball, football would still qualify, but so would cricket, floorball, golf, handball, netball, etc.

Under either definition, the category would no longer be underpopulated, but it all seems like a weird classification for no good purpose. I vote for deleting this category altogether, and redirecting {{ball-sports-stub}} to {{sport-stub}}. Dawynn (talk) 12:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If we vote to keep this category, then we need to consider properly populating it. In that case, baseball, basketball, cricket, football, etc. would be placed in this category instead of directly in Cat:Sports stubs by sport. See permcat Cat:ball games. Dawynn (talk) 12:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support deletion - an alternative might be to make it a parent-only type, though even then the definition problems would be a concern. Grutness...wha? 00:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for me too. I think all the sport categories you mention are better placed in Cat:Sports stubs by sport. I think the template can stay but upmerged to Cat:Sports stubs. SeveroTC 07:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Cat:Mureş County geography stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

Propose to rename to Cat:Mureș County geography stubs to correct an error in Romanian orthography (see S-comma), and for consistency with other Mureș County-related categories. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems reasonable. The template should be proposed for renaming as well. Grutness...wha? 01:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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{{ZagrebCounty-stub}} / Cat:Zagreb County stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was upmerge for now - seems the best middle ground

Unproposed stub type. The template's reasonable, or would be if we were anywhere near the stage of splitting Croatian stubs by location (which we're not), but sadly this has a category which is less well formed and - more importantly - is unlikely to reach anywhere near threshold. Cat:Zagreb County only has some 30 non-geographical articles in it, many of them are well beyond stub length, and many others are about individual people (who are rarely stubbed by subnational division). Delete the category, first option delete the template, though upmerging it might be an alternative. Grutness...wha? 01:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I did not know, that should be proposed. The reason was that the article Naftalan, Croatia, had stub in the wrong category: Category:Zagreb stubs, and not where it belongs Category:Zagreb County stubs, according to Counties of Croatia. Naftalan is located in Ivanić-Grad in Zagreb County, and not under City of Zagreb (has a county status and jurisdiction). These are just a neighboring counties. Yes, I noticed there was only one non-geographical article in this County. What to do in such a case, simply delete it (wrong stub), or hope it will need in the future for some other objects (to make new stub, OK now I know, to propose new)? --Vhorvat (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since there are so few stubs for Zagreb County, it should simply have been marked with {{Croatia-stub}}. Best thing would probably for the template and category to be deleted now - if there are a lot of stubs about Zagreb County in the future it can be proposed for re-creation. Grutness...wha? 04:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What is the minimum number of stubs in the category? I found only one more for Zagreb County, Komunalno poduzeće Zaprešić. I think that will occur in the near future some more stubs. The main reason to create a stub and category was that because of confusing similar names, there may be frequent errors. --Vhorvat (talk) 00:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold is 60 existing stubs, though that would be reduced a little since there is a viable subcategory (the geography stubs) - so probably about 50 is probably what would be required. If the category's deleted now and there's some growth to the point where a category seems a reasonable idea, it can always be proposed, and chances are it would be approved. But note that it's existing stubs - simply saying "there may be more later" doesn't guarantee that they will actually get made! Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub rationales gives some reasons why 60 is used. Grutness...wha? 00:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I understand, thanks for the information. --Vhorvat (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 17[edit]

{{Tamil Eelam-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete for now at least. Maybe worth revisiting once the WikiProject is up and running via WSS proposals page

Unproposed template, which explains the non-standard scope, non-convention compliant name, and incorrect coding of the template. Stub types are rarely if ever accepted for independentist regions (note the discussions in the past on such regions as Turkish North Cyprus and Kurdistan). Even if it had been proposed and accepted, it would not have been given the current name, which goes against stub template naming conventions. Cat:Sri Lanka stubs doesn't give any indication that the stub type would reach threshold even if it were created, and Cat:Tamil stubs us undersized, so splitting out a separate stub type for Tamil Eelam would seem a bad move. It is not used for any article - the only link to the page suggests it is for use by WikiProject Tamil Eelam - yet there is no such WikProject as Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil Eelam. Even if there were such a project, they would surely be better served by an assessment banner template.

So... a misnamed, malformed, non-subject-standard template has been created without proposal for a nonexistent WikiProject. It is not in use, and if it were to be used it wouldn't reach any sort of sustainable level. Delete. Grutness...wha? 09:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestions are appreciated. :) Keep. Wiki Raja (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not suggestions - arguments. Which you haven't addressed. Grutness...wha? 00:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, currently, I'm creating a new WikiProject as I have done with a few others. In the event, there is a template I use where a stub is included. When building a project, all pages, stubs, etc are created first by using 'User:Wiki Raja/Tamil Eelam-stub', for example. In this case, I just created it using 'template:' instead. The WikiProject is not up and running yet, since I am getting some interested folks to join first. Wiki Raja (talk)
The template was created to see how it would look in the WikiProject I'm creating. But, since you've mentioned, is there anywhere in the 'stub' guidelines that states stubs 'independentist regions' cannot be created? Wiki Raja (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Only massive precedent. They've always been deleted in the past if created, or rejected if proposed. They cause too much edit-warring to be worthwhile for either WP:WSS or the group intending to use them. And while edit-warring in pages is easily controllable, edit-warring in templates is a far more wide-reaching and messy problem. I suggest you'd find far more use from an assessment banner than from a stub template anyway - it is the first-line article template used by WikiProjects (stub templates are not for specific use by individual-subject WikiProjects). See here for more information about them. In any case, creating a stub type for a WikiProject before you create the WikiProject is, to put it bluntly, crazy. If you're intending to start a WikiProject, first check to see you've got a body of Wikipedians interested in the idea, then set out the boundaries of the topic area, recognise any problems with the problem areas, and identify what articles there are and what articles are missing from your subject area. All after the WikiProject has been launched. Then you can start thinking about assessment and identifying whether a stub type would be useful. After which, if you decide one is needed, you propose one. Have you read Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide? It explains things pretty clearly... Grutness...wha? 00:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice. Sorry for the confusion. Regards. Wiki Raja (talk) 01:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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{{FilchnerRonne-geo-stub}} / Cat:Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf geography stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

Should've known this would happen. As soon as I create a new stub type with the note "there doesn't seem to be a better name", a better name emerges. Propose renaming this stub type to {{EdithRonneLand-geo-stub}} / Cat:Edith Ronne Land geography stubs, keeping the current template name as a redirect. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 16[edit]

Cat:Pakistani airline stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete category, upmerge template

Unproposed (created by same editor who was warned against unproposed stub type creations several hours earlier!). No chance whatsoever of this reaching threshold - permcat has fewer than 30 articles - less than half the stub threshold - and fewer than half of those are stubs. Delete. Grutness...wha? 01:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 11[edit]

Cat:Dublin gaelic football biography stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure of all the history on this. Propose deletion of Cat:Dublin gaelic football biography stubs. Note: all articles and the template have already migrated to Cat:Dublin Gaelic football biography stubs (different capitalization). Dawynn (talk) 11:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks like it may have been made accidentally by GNevin while he was making several GAA categories. Grutness...wha? 01:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 10[edit]

{{Non-Alcoholic Beverage-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename template, create category - note, may need upmerging later if insufficient stubs are found

Unproposed, unused, non-standard-named template, already covered by several different stub types. Unnecessary. Delete. Grutness...wha? 03:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename. Although I'm not sure what to rename it to. Under Cat:Drink stubs, I see Cat:soft drink stubs, Cat:coffee stubs, and Cat:tea stubs. I wouldn't say this covers everything. I realize that the following list surely contains non-stub articles, but these are just examples to spur thinking. Where would we classify water, milk, hot chocolate, or even "virgin" variations of alcoholic beverages? How about some of these (pulled from the stub list): Celtic (water), Cacolac, EJ-10, and Emerge Stimulation Drink? The current template is nonstandard and deserves a rename, but I don't agree that the topic is already covered. Dawynn (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense... so that would be what? {{Nonalcoholic-drink-stub}}/Cat:Non-alcoholic beverage stubs? With things like Cat:Soft drink stubs as subtypes? Grutness...wha? 01:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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South Sudan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename both to "SouthSudan-"

While we've been busy discussing new stub types for this new country at WP:WSS/P , unsurprisingly, a couple of unproposed types have sprung up:

{{South Sudan-ethno-group-stub}}[edit]

Unproposed, convention non-compliant name. Has a large number of stubs, but the template needs to be fixed to the standard {{SouthSudan-ethno-group-stub}}. Rename (deleting the current name). See also the proposal below on ethnicity categories. Grutness...wha? 03:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • This seems uncontroversial. I suggest a move first, then work through the stubs changing the name, then delete the current name. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yup - that's the standard practice here. Grutness...wha? 00:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
{{South-Sudan-sports-venue-stub}}[edit]

Unproposed and misnamed - the name chosen makes it appear that this template is for venues in the South of the nation of Sudan (the hyphen makes it a subtype of Sudan-sports-venue-stubs), whereas the implication is definitely that this is for stubs in the nation of South Sudan. At the very least this needs renaming to {{SouthSudan-sports-venue-stub}}, assuming it's even needed yet. Given that there's been no discussion yet of even a SouthSudan-sports-stub or a SouthSudan-struct-stub, it's a bit premature, to say the least. Also, this sorts stubs into Cat:North African sports venue stubs; politically, South Sudan may yet more logically be considered part of East Africa, though that may have to wait for the UN to catch up... Rename at a minimum (deleting the current name), though second choice would be delete. Grutness...wha? 03:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ethnic groups[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

While looking at one of the above stub types I noticed a mismatch in WP:WSS naming: We use "ethnicity" for categories that should logically be "ethnic group" categories. I propose renaming the following:

Grutness...wha? 03:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Antarctica[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete/upmerge per nom

After a lot of work, the East and West antarctica geo-stub types are empty, all subsorted into regions. At the moment, the only free stubs in either the east or west category are 12 articles stubbed with the upmerged {{KaiserWilhelmIILand-geo-stub}}, and one East Antarctica stub. These could easily be accommodated int he main Cat:Antarctica geography stubs category, which is itself currently empty except for subcategories. As such, I'd like to propose the following:

Grutness...wha? 03:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 7[edit]

Unused sport templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete

Propose deletion of the following templates. Each of these is currently empty, and I found no articles to tag. Many of these do not even have a permcat. For each represented country, there is currently a {{foo-sport-bio-stub}} template that could be used as part of a double-tag, with the generic {{foo-bio-stub}} for the appropriate sport.

Dawynn (talk) 14:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If there are no articles for them, there's no point having them. Grutness...wha? 01:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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July 5[edit]

{{Trinidad and Tobago-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Grutness's proposal to create a {{Tobago-stub}} redirect may be worth doing, though. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like this was created by a brand new WikiProject, by someone who (a) doesn know stub naming conventions, (b) doesn't know to propose new stub types, and (c) didn't know we already had a long-standing {{Trinidad-stub}}. Unused, unnecessary duplicate with a non-convention name - Delete. Grutness...wha? 12:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See what I wrote above. The Grenadines are not in Saint Vincent, yet SaintVincent-stub is used. Barbuda is not in Antigua, yet Antigua-stub is used. The South Sandwich Islands are not in South Georgia, yet SouthGeorgia-stub is used. All perfectly standard. Similarly, Trinidad-stub is used for Tobago. Always has been. It was named that way after consultation with WikiProject Trinidad and Tobago, and with T&T's longest-standing Wikipedia,, User:Guettarda. If it's good enough for them and is nmed in a way which is standard and frequently used for stub templates, there's no reason why it shouldn't be used. What's more, your new stub not only completely duplicates Trinidad-stub, but is also named in a way which contravenes stub template naming conventions. As such, it needs to be deleted.
If your complaint is with the current name of the template, the solution is not to make a duplicate with a convention-defying name. That is disruptive to the stub-sorting process. The correct thing to have done would have been to propose changing the name of the template here, at WP:SFD. That would have saved you the difficulty of trying to defend an incorrectly named and unnecessary duplicate, would have saved WP:WSS the job of trying to deal with an extra unnecessary template, and would have saved the possibility of having one template with one name and other templates using another name (you've only made a duplicate of one of the several T&T related stub types. If, by some chance, it was accepted as a reasonable name despite going against naming conventions, then it would be different to all the others). Grutness...wha? 13:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • But we are not part of their countries and also we want to change our stub from Trinidad to Trinidad and Tobago...please heard my voice out! (Kylekieran (talk) 18:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]
    • You miss the points I've made, or are ignoring them:
      1. Tobago is as much part of Trinidad and Tobago as Barbuda is of Antigua and Barbuda (ad similarly the other examples). {{Antigua-stub}} is used for both Antigua and Barbuda; similarly, {{Trinidad-stub}} is used for both Trinidad and Tobago.
      2. {{Trinidad and Tobago-stub}} goes against official naming conventions.
      3. The right way to go about this is NOT to create a stub type and then complain because it is proposed for deletion - the right way is to propose the stub type for renaming here, or propose a separate stub type for creation at WP:WSS/P. If you want to change the name of the template, propose changing it!
    • As a possible solution to your concerns, the best idea might be to have a stub template name, {{Tobago-stub}}, as a redirect to {{Trinidad-stub}}. That way, the stubs will still be sorted in the same way they are now, but there will be indication via that whatlinkshere tool for the template to enable us - and you - to determine whether there are sufficient Tobago-specific stubs to allow for a separate template and category. Grutness...wha? 03:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • We need to change every stub and make it all in ones like {{Antigua and Barbuda-stub}},{{St. Kitts and Nevis-stub}},{{Trinidad and Tobago-stub}}. Today so no body would not complained...(Kylekieran (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC))[reply]
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{{Punkmusic-stub}} → {{Punk-music-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was rename

Simple rename. Since it's a subtype of music-stub, surely there should be an extra hyphen in this stub template. The current name could be kept as a redirect, though since it's only been used six times it likely wouldn't be missed if it wan't. Grutness...wha? 13:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 4[edit]

{{Catalonia-newspaper-stub}}[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete

Unproposed and unnecessary. Given that we don't yet have splits for all (or even particularly many) full European nations, creating a new template for a region within a country is premature, to say the least. Neither Cat:European newspaper stubs not Cat:Catalonia stubs is so big as to cause a problem, and Cat:Newspapers published in Catalonia only has eight articles - hardly enough to support any separate template. Delete. Grutness...wha? 02:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, until there are enough {{Spain-newspaper-stub}} to consider splitting Cat:Spanish newspaper stubs (there aren't yet even enough to create the category, let alone splitting it). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's useful. And interesting to show that are written in catalan language, not in spanish. --Solercrell (talk) 21:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • The'd still be in Cat:Catalonia stubs, which is fairly small, and as for being "interesting", what's to say something marked with Catalonia-newspaper-stub is written in Catalonian, and not a Spanish-language paper produced in Catalonia? So there's negligible use for the first point you raise, the second point is incorrect, and there's nothing that can't be found easily by the existing stub templates. Grutness...wha? 01:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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{{AntarcticPeninsula-geo-stub}} / Cat:Antarctic Peninsula geography stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete

Wham, bam, thank you maam. I created this last week, it briefly held several hundred stubs, and now it's empty again - all subsorted into stub types for Graham Land and Palmer Land. The category could be kept as a parent-only typ, but it might be better simply to reduce the number of layers of category by deleting it. Can probably be speedied since I'm the only editor of it, but since it was proposed, I thought I'd bring it here... Grutness...wha? 07:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 2[edit]

Cat:Oregon org stubs --> Cat:Oregon organization stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Naming error for approved type. Pegship (talk) 02:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peg! Support - speedily if possible. Grutness...wha? 01:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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