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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 19:07, 14 October 2008 [1].

List of anthems by country[edit]

previous FLC (18:30, 9 July 2008)

I've been working on this on and off for six months. It has been through two FLCs, and I think it's ready now. Gary King (talk) 05:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Replace with an NPR link. Gary King (talk) 17:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Rambo's Revenge

Comments

  • "Near the end of the century, the ... , written in 1792 and adopted in 1795" - near the end of the century seems redundant with the dates there.
  • I am sure you have considered this but is it not worth noting the exclusions of Scotland, N Ireland, Wales as by definition they are I believe countries (see constituent country)
  • Being picky I believe the UK national anthem is "God Save the King" regardless of the monarchs gender, it is just the words that are replaced - [2] (this might cause more trouble than it's worth though)
  • Lebanon's date "1927" doesn't sort properly.
  • Might be worth linking Czechoslovakia in the Czech Rep. year notes
  • Czech anthem links [[Kde domov můj|Kde domov můj?]] which redirects to [[Kde domov můj?]] - remove piping
  • The Slovakian national anthem was originally the "second strophe" of the Czechoslovakia anthm (see Kde domov můj?) whereas the Czech Republic anthem was the "first strophe" of it. It seems inconsistent to note the founding date of Czech Rep. anthem to Czechoslovakia but not Slovakia's.
  • Thailands royal anthem is listed in the table with a civil one. Is neither/both of these the national anthem?
    • The royal anthem should be noted in the notes thought as this currently isn't a "List of national anthems by country". Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Solomon Islands has [note 1] but nothing in note 1 about it.
    • Not what I meant - I mean Solomon Islands should be added to the list as part of note 1, as "God save..." is their royal anthem. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done. Countries used are listed at list of countries as the box at the top of the table says. Gary King (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The box at the top fails WP:Selfref and it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that it is also currently a TfD. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Gary King (talk) 20:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (for now)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Gary King (talk) 15:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrt that added summary

I'm afraid that latest addition isn't enough, you'll need to be more precise about the criteria of inclusion for the list. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did you check the latest version that sources the United States government? Gary King (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly suggest to use the list of UN members which would include all the states widely recognised excluding Taiwan and Vatican. Nergaal (talk) 22:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support with a final comment

  • São Tomé and Príncipe should sort as Sa... but currently it comes after Sy... when sorting by name.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Gary King (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Many countries have anthems, defined as "a song, as of praise, devotion, or patriotism";[1] most anthems are either marches or hymns in style many and most are very vague. Please use a more precise term (i.e. over half, over 60%, etc.)
  • A hymn can become a country's national anthem by a provision in the country's constitution, by a law enacted by its legislature, or simply by tradition perhaps give an example for each case?
  • Some countries also use the royal anthem as the national anthem please give some kind of figure, or an example at least.
  • the historic paragraph describes only 3 cases, without making the reader why are the UK and the French examples relevant. What about outside Europe? When did countries start having hymns from when they got independence? (i.e. when did it became truly a common practice?)
  • The multilingual country of Spain has no words in its anthem => I am not sure multilingual is the best possible word & has no words officially
  • Why is the image chosen for that of Hungary? There is no access to the Dutch one?
  • What about the usual length of the anthems? (timewise)
  • Is it possible to put the exact references used somewhere in the article? perhaps right after [13] or after "National anthem"

Nergaal (talk) 22:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done. I've switched to the UN. Instead of "many" I've used "most"; I don't want to get much more specific than that so that a dispute won't flare up. It's accurate as it stands now. I've given the anthem of Jordan as one that is used both as a national and a royal anthem. There is sheet music for the Dutch anthem online but I'm uncertain about how the copyright works on those, so I'm sticking to what I can find on the Commons. Length? Sources will definitely disagree with each other on that, if I can even find any. I think the three general references are sufficient; they cover the entire table. The information is from them, and the information found in each one backs up the other. Gary King (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • What is the difference between List of anthems by country and List of national anthems?
  • "The oldest national anthem is the Dutch national anthem "Het Wilhelmus", written some time between 1568 and 1572."
  • "Anthems became increasingly popular among Europe countries in the 18th century." European countries, right?
  • "For example, India's anthem "Jana Gana Mana" is written in a Sanskritized version of Bengali, both official languages of India." Add which are before both.
  • "Countries with more than one national language"-->Countries with multiple national languages...
  • "On the other hand, South Africa's national anthem is unique in that five of the eleven official languages are used in the same anthem, with each language comprising a stanza." How does this example contrast with the previous? No with + -ing construction please.
  • "The multilingual country of Spain has no official lyrics for its anthem 'La Marcha Real'." So the anthem is instrumental, correct?
  • "A national competition to write words for the anthem was launched in 2007; however, widespread public criticism forced the new lyrics to be withdrawn in January 2008." This information seems kind of trivial.
  • Why is national flag in the See also section? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done. List of anthems by country is for countries; List of national anthems has a definition in the article written as "A Nation can be a country (including countries that are part of larger countries), a nation state, a people, or an area with a self-identifying populace who regard themselves as a nation." Gary King (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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