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Journal of chemical ecology

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Possibly unfree File:Hugh Lofting.jpg

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Stefan2 Thanks. It may be a problem so I think it is best that I take it down.Petercannon usf (talk) 16:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Tampa Bay Library Consortium

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FWIW, while I'm unable to double-check the deleted version of the article, the version you have recreated is entirely fine copyright-wise, so there should not be any further issues. Wizardman 03:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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Helen Marot

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Clara Breed

Hello, and thanks for the article on Clara Breed! Let me know when you are done creating it - I would like to nominate it for "Did you know...?" --MelanieN (talk) 18:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm doing some tidying up and wikifying. Do you have any information about when and where she died, and her actual date of birth? That would normally be included. Also, can you expand on how she "expanded the city's modern system" - putting it under the "career" section? Do you have internet links for any of your references, or are you working entirely from "dead tree" sources? --MelanieN (talk) 15:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Oops, here's a problem: portions of the article are copy-pasted from other sources, such as this one. That's a big problem and has to be fixed at once; Wikipedia is very strict about copyright violations, they don't even allow close paraphrasing of sources. Can you rewrite these passages in your own words? The article would never be accepted for DYK with copyright violations in it; in fact it would be in danger of deletion. --MelanieN (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think it's ready. I have nominated it and you can follow the progress of the nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/Clara Breed. You may want to watchlist that page since the reviewer will often have questions or comments, or want more information.

I see that you like to write biographical articles. Good for you! I do too. Wikipedia is woefully lacking in articles about people from the pre-internet age, especially people from unglamorous professions. When I have a little more time I'll post here a few tips on writing biographical articles. Nothing wrong with yours, but there are some additional (sometimes invisible) steps that Wikipedia likes to see. --MelanieN (talk) 21:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow, somebody's approved it already! That's a near-record! 0;-D What happens next is that it will be moved into a "queue" and slotted into an 8-hour time period to appear on the front/main page of Wikipedia. The queue can be seen here. You'll want to check it out; it's always fun to see your own work featured there. (I gather this is your first DYK.) The next day you can go to the page history, click on "page view statistics", and find out how many people looked at it. Also, don't be surprised if over the next few days people will be editing and improving the article. --MelanieN (talk) 22:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, it's in the queue! Looks like it will be on the Wikipedia main page between 5:45 PM tonight (Friday 2/28) and 1:45 AM tomorrow (Saturday 3/1), Eastern time. More good news: it is the first item in the list, and they did decide to use the photo. --MelanieN (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Helpful hints for biographical articles

You already know most of the obvious style points of biographical articles. Here are a few more subtle things:

• Always include the full dates and places of birth and death, if known, somewhere in the article. The parenthetical dates in the lead sentence can include either the full dates or just the years; that's up to you.
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BTW you might consider joining WP:WikiProject Libraries. I don't know how active it is, but it could be a way to work with other Wikipedians in your area of interest. I look forward to seeing more of your work here! --MelanieN (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Clara Breed

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Requested citation

Somebody has challenged a couple of the things in the Clara Breed article, asking for citations. I was able to find a citation for the claim that she wrote letters of behalf of fathers who were considered security risks. But I was unable to find a citation for the fact that she visited the children in the camps. None of the online citations says she did. Do you have evidence for that in one of your offline references? --MelanieN (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm... somebody cited that claim to the San Diego History Center, but I don't find it there. --MelanieN (talk) 01:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I have two: Shaw mentions it: Deeply moved by the unjust treatment they were receiving and missing their steadfast presence in her library. Miss Breed visited the children in the camps (Breed, 1943a, pp. 120-21), sent books and presents throughout their internment, and spoke out publicly against their treatment.

Petercannon usf (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Perfect! Shaw was the reference for the preceding sentence; I just moved it to the end of the paragraph. --MelanieN (talk) 01:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks MelanieN! You got it! I was trying to edit it but you did it already. Thanks!

ALA References: ask for help

Hi, I am an Italian librarian, trying to translate the article about American Library Association. Some references (e.g.: McCook, 2011; Rubin, 2004; Berman, 2001) have no further bibliographic description, and I could not find them in the web page of ALA. Could you please help me to understand which materials they refer to? Thank you very much, Silvia --Silvia Girometti (talk) 18:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed, I'm going to fix them in the Italian article right now. Kind regards, Silvia --Silvia Girometti (talk) 22:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Location

Hi, thanks for the article Gazi Husrev-beg Library. I gather it's in Sarajevo. But it isn't stated in the article. Can you be more specific about its exact location in the lede ? Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Great collaboration

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Lucius Beebe Memorial Library

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I've taken a quick look at this, and it seems to me that the content was indeed copied from elsewhere, possibly http://www.wakefieldlibrary.org/libraryinfo/librarybuilding/libraryhistory/; but it makes no difference if it was taken from the source the bot identified, that content is not apparently freely licenced. Obviously I hope to find that I am wrong about this – I'm sure that you understand that copying other people's text is against our policies here as well as being unethical. I've blanked the page and listed the article at Copyright problems for review. This clumsy hand-written note is instead of the usual large and invasive template message. Sorry about this! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

(moved here from my talk)I did some editing to that page after I got the original notice and can clean it up some more. The content has been changed but I will work on it some more this weekend.Petercannon usf (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, a couple of things: as the bot notice (rather ungrammatically) says, "Note that simply modified or rephrased text is still an infringement—to remove the copyrighted contents you will need to completely remove them and then write totally new text to replace it" - making some changes to tainted text just does not do the job. Secondly, now that the article is blanked, you should not edit it at all; you can of course work on a rewrite if you wish (follow the instructions on the template), but if you do so, please make a point of not copying any text from the old version unless you are 100% sure that you wrote it yourself. And thirdly, without wishing to offend, I should ask you if you think there might be other pages where the same has happened? If so, please mention them here and I will help you to fix them. This is quite important - copyright policy is taken seriously here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:52, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I have completely rewritten this article from a 1925 history of the library and have not used any information from the previous article. I understand your copyright policy. Thank you for your concern and I appreciate your help.Petercannon usf (talk) 00:57, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The funny part about this is that the website has definitely taken material from a book in the public domain which may have been incorrectly identified as being copyrighted. I guess I will let you figure that out but it's good to know, especially the part about the medallions.Petercannon usf (talk) 03:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to take care of this as soon as possible. Can you either unblank the page or redirect the new page. In either case, I'm afraid that you may have incorrectly identified the material that was used as being copyrighted. The material on http://www.wakefieldlibrary.org/libraryinfo/librarybuilding/libraryhistory/ is not copyrighted as it is from a library history book in the public domain. I may have been unclear about that. I understand that the bots cannot realize this and that is why I removed the original "bot box." Unfortunately, you could not realize this was information taken from the public domain. I have used this book in the past, know it well, and have worked for this library. All photos and material are in the public domain and no one can claim a copyright to this material. Your statements above are, indeed, incorrect.Petercannon usf (talk) 14:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I've replied to this on the talk page of the article, showing an example of text that was copied into our article verbatim from the website, but which is phrased quite differently in that book. I suggest that you are mistaken that the content you copied is in the public domain – the library website carries no copyright release notice. Anyway, this will be dealt with in due course by one of the other volunteers at WP:CP (since we don't agree, I will not be processing it myself); the usual timescale is a week or two, depending on the backlog at that board. Meanwhile, I invite you to check your other contributions for similar problems. A couple of other things: you created the rewrite at the wrong address; I moved it, but it was then, due to a misunderstanding, deleted; I've asked for it to be restored. Also, please don't post comments in article space – that's what we have talk pages for; I moved to the talk page the comment you'd added to the article. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! However It is my opinion that these two texts are pretty close and it is clear that this book served as the source for the website and is a derivative, with modification. A website (or any work) cannot claim copyright if it is a derivative and not an original work. This is basic copyright law.
In any event I would like to get this issue resolved and I appreciate your help with this matter.Petercannon usf (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I tend to disagree but I would like to get this resolved. Here is a listing of the library medallions, one from the book and one from the page:

Website:

David, the poet of Hebrew literature (d.962 B.C.) Homer, the father of epic poetry (9th – 8th cent. B.C.) Euripides, the master of tragic poetry (484-406 B.C.) Cicero, the Roman orator (106-43 B.C.) St. Augustine, the great religious teacher (354-430) Geoffrey Chaucer, the father of English poetry (1342-1400) Dante, author of the Divine Comedy (1265-1321) Desiderius Erasmus, the classical scholar and theologian of the Middle Ages (1466-1536) William Shakespeare, the greatest of English poets and dramatists (1564-1616) Moliere, the writer of French comedy (1622-1673) Goethe, the greatest German poet (1749-1832) Ralph Waldo Emerson, American poet and resident of nearby Concord, Mass. (1803-1882) Robert Browning, English poet (1812-1889) Henrik Ibsen, the great Norwegian playwright (1828-1906)

Public Domain:

1. David, the poet of Hebrew Literature. 2. Homer, the father of epic poetry. 3. Euripides, the master of tragic poetry. 4. Cicero, the Roman orator. 5. St. Augustine, the great religious teacher, whose vision of the "City of God" shaped the course of an empire. 6. Chaucer, the father of English poetry. 7. Dante, whose "Divine Comedy" made the Italian language a classic. 8. Desiderius Erasmus, the classical scholar and theologian of the Middle Ages. 9. Shakespeare, the greatest of English poets and dramatists. 10. Moliere, the writer of French comedy. 11. Goethe, the greatest German poet. 12. Ralph Waldo Emerson, America's seer and poet. 13. Robert Browning, English poet, master of narrative, lyric, and dramatic verse of the nine-teenth century. 14. Ibsen, the great Scandanavian playwright, who laid the foundation for modern English and American drama.

These two texts are pretty close and it is clear that this book served as the source for the website and is a derivative, with modification. A website (or any work) cannot claim copyright if it is a derivative and not an original work. This is basic copyright law. In any event I would like to get this issue resolved and I appreciate your help with this matter.Petercannon usf (talk) 21:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

As for the delay and about our disagreement, since I have rewritten the article (I understand it is lost at the moment) can we not redirect that one once it is undeleted? Thanks!Petercannon usf (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The rewrite will be checked for lingering copyright problems. If it's found to be OK (as, without having looked at it, I'm confident it will be) it will be moved into the place of the existing page, which will be deleted. As mentioned above, this normally happens in a week or two, though it can take longer, depending on the backlog. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Justlettersandnumbers I appreciate ALL of your hard work and patience.Petercannon usf (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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