User talk:Bilseric

Question[edit]

In my culture, discussions are much more emotional and attacking-like.

I’ve never heard of such a thing. Are there are articles or books you can point me to on this subject? Or this something you personally observed? If I was to make this claim about any culture, I would be laughed out of the room. Viriditas (talk) 00:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is just my personal observation. It's surprising to me that you haven't noticed cultural differences between people in that regard. May I ask, how many languages you speak? But, this is interesting whether that is actually covered in some literature. I'll try to find out just out of personal interest. I often felt that Wikipedia needs more understanding that people come from different cultures. I'm not a native of English. I can agree this words I have used here don't fully describe what I wanted to say. I'll try to find better words in the dictionary. For now I'll remove the second word, not to have bad connotations. The first one can stay there in my opinion. I just provided a brief description. I didn't realize anyone would actually read it, as I've been active on so small number of articles, where I'm not a stranger. I've been editing so , without any problems until recent events, which made me feel I need to state this is SPA on my page. As said, I don't like that I'm burdened with this contributions page. People change and someone reading my previous comments might get a different opinion. I would like Wikipedia to have User Contributions page as an option. I never had it as an IP and that is the was I'm accustomed to edit. Who cares I said something 7 years ago. I probably changed my opinion on that so many time that I wouldn't even recognize I said it, if someone showed it to me. Maybe that's one more opinion stemming from cultural difference. You may also note that I write long posts....and so on...I'm really surprised you wouldn't think that different cultures have different styles of discussing. Bilseric (talk) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you are describing Klingon culture. How do you like Earth? Viriditas (talk) 00:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also a fan of Star Trek. I really don't see where you see similarities with Klingon culture. Bilseric (talk) 00:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glad we have something in common. I am also a fan. The Klingons are known for emotional discussions which attack each other in various ways, the more aggressive the better. Viriditas (talk) 00:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, but that would be more "attacking" in a physical sense. Bilseric (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you at least describe what you mean when you say your culture is more emotional and attacking in discussion? How about an example? I’m genuinely interested. Viriditas (talk) 00:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How many languages do you speak? Bilseric (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Five. Viriditas (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a good example [1]: "Lynchings of African Americans were brought up as an embarrassing skeleton in the closet for the US, which the Soviets used as a form of rhetorical ammunition when reproached for their own economic and social failings". This logical fallacy is still often used in Russia. This is a significant cultural difference. Bilseric (talk) 00:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m very familiar with it. But the example you cited isn’t a form of discussion; it’s a communication style rooted in persuasive, political propaganda. We have similar rhetorical strategies in the US, but this is not something the common person calls their own. My overarching, yet unstated point and implication is that there is a general baseline, a universal approach to discussion that is rooted in respect, listening, understanding, and civility. I think we have to be careful not to let our different cultural biases, which we all have, overwhelm our basic shared humanity. Viriditas (talk) 01:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel it stems from the different culture, from emotions which are expressed differently in different cultures. Not to call this example is a part of any culture. It is a logical fallacy as listed on Wiki. Of course, I'm not trying to say more emotions in a discussion is better. I agree there has to be agreement how to have an objective discussion. Of course it's a personal trait as well. However, I have noticed that in some cultures people are more emotional than in others. Bilseric (talk) 01:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can more relate to this [2]. See how translators make D. Trump sound much different to different cultures. The change in vocabulary makes all the difference. Bilseric (talk) 01:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That video is what we call comedy. It’s not intended to be taken seriously. Viriditas (talk) 01:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Say that to my parents who get the translated Trump and get a totally skewed image of what he said. Bilseric (talk) 01:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s an interesting point that I would like to hear more about. If you have any free time to expand on that idea please do so on my talk page, and feel free to write as much as you like and for how long as you like, as I don’t mind. Unfortunately, I have to go out to dinner and some activities now, but I will be back in about six hours. Thanks for your time and for attempting to answer my question. Viriditas (talk) 01:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you too. It's 3:20 am here and I work tomorrow, but I enjoyed this discussion. I don't know if I can expand more on this, though. Bilseric (talk) 01:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it just crossed my mind. You surely have heard that French is the language of love. I don't speak French so I cant attest, but I would say that emotions are expressed easier on French, just based on the saying. Bilseric (talk) 01:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]