User talk:נלביא

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Hello, נלביא, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for 1948 Palestinian exodus. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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thanks. i'll do my best...נלביא (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Grief[edit]

Please could you self-revert your last series of edits to Howard Grief. You were reverted because "Rv original research. There is no indication that the Levy Report relied in any sense on any of Grief's writings..". You have not cited any reliable sources to support the content you added. It should therefore be removed. Please see WP:V and WP:OR. Alternatively, if you have a source that supports what you have added please cite it. If someone reverts your edits citing a legitimate policy based reason, as happened in this case, you should follow the WP:BRD process rather than edit war the content back into the article. Also note for future reference that the article is covered by WP:1RR editing restrictions. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As i am more in the hebrew wiki, plase tell me now if my citation of sources in the text is appropriate.נלביא (talk) 18:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet. I see you linked the report itself but what is required is a reliable secondary source to support the statement "The committee used approximately the same arguments as Grief uses...", something like a media or academic report about the Levy report that relates it to Grief's argument. At the moment it looks like original research i.e. your analysis rather than an analysis published by a reliable source. If you read the WP:OR policy you will see what I mean e.g. original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not advanced by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Sean.hoyland - talk 18:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

i did add exact citations from the source. is this not appropriate? נלביא (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

i did not hint that the report relied on his writings, just that it used similar arguments. which can be seen as true from the citations.נלביא (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear. What I meant by citing a source is explained in Wikipedia:Citing sources. I can see that you have linked to other Wikipedia articles and added a link to the Levy report itself, but what is required is citing a source as shown below for example which appears as citation [8] in the article and is displayed in the references section

<ref name="Quigley">{{cite book|author=John Quigley|title=The Statehood of Palestine|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iTR3BQ0aJ6UC&pg=PA70|accessdate=28 May 2013|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-49124-2|page=70}}</ref>

The source needs to support everything you say. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

of course the source supports what i say because i said what's written there. i will correct though its formal representaion in a short time. thanks.נלביא (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I fear that you are not quite getting the point here. To include any material in the encyclopaedia you must find a WP:RELIABLE SOURCE that supports the material, and is directly related to the topic of the article in which you want to include the material. The Levy report does not mention Grief or Grief's scholarship. Therefore as a source it is not directly related to the topic of the article. Dlv999 (talk) 08:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]