User talk:Šarukinu

Shlama

Ayet Atooraya ewet? Chaldean 00:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shlama akhoun. Yes, ana ewin Ashuraya.Šarukinu 21:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ham ana. Ana-wen birya gou Baghdad bas nashwathee-la min Araden. Y`eshin daha qourba l'Detroit gou Rochester. Zweena'n kthawa d'Soureth ou bayen kathwen kha alephbeth b'Latin tla kthawa b'Soureth makh d'eeleh weetha Mustapha Kemal Ataturk tla Turkayeh b'leeshaneh'en.סרגון יוחנא 20:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Assur

Khon, here is a report from the United Nations World Heritage Site website; [[1]] Chaldean 18:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[[2]] - first temple of Ashur is built (c. 4750 B.C.) Chaldean 01:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ashurbanipal

You're certainly correct about that stela, I took it myself from another part of Wiki and placed it in that article. I've already moved the picture of the statue my question was about, it can still be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ashurbanipal.jpg Greetings, Djaser 20:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

When was the word Assyria first used after the fall of their dynasty

You know that the Assyrian dynasty was destroyed and it's people were forced to flee, what happened to Assyrians and Assyria, when was the first time the term Assyria or assyrian was used after the fall of their dynasty. It is no data about what happened to the Assyrians nor Assyria, dont you think that it's weird that so many people dissapear for such a long period and then suddenly just come back

Asm ccc 11:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Chaldean

The Chaldean people are a different people from Assyrians. There is no proof in the pudding to say that most Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrian. If there is any proof I would like to see and I would like it to be sourced. Secondly, the bias opinion of the Assyrian people is spreading false facts across to the wider audience interested in reading the articles which are put on wikipedia. Hence, there not put on Wikipedia to form a biased one sided view but are put on Wikipedia as factual information to help others gain better understanding. The bias counterpoints and spreads irrelevant information. Thirdly, the Saint Sultana Mahdokh is not an Assyrian Saint. Let me point out why. The story of St. Sultana Mahdokh is very interesting and allows us to further gain an insight into the Chaldean/Assyrian Era. St. Sultana Mahdokh, a Chaldean saint spoke to a Kurdish man which was walking down the alleys in which thew church is now built. She asked him whilst he was sleeping after pastering his lamb to build her a church where ever the lamb stops. He woke up and disobeyed and did not do it. The second day, she said the same thing and said that there will be a consequence if he doesn't build her the church. So the lamb stopped, and the Kurdish man built the church. The church being so old; 325 AD shows that the Chaldean people where around at that time, in Araden. How do we know this? Well the church being in a Chaldean town, in which Chaldeans worshipped and prayed there proves this. Chaldean Catholicism has always been the key religion there. So then how can Chaldeans MYSTERIOUSLY turn to become Assyrians? Im sorry, but the arguments that are being put forward by the Assyrian people are like a souffle firm on the outside but only hot air inside.

Andrew.Hermiz 6:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing to comment on??? Lost for words???

Andrew.Hermiz 10:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha. Read my lengthy post on your own page Andrew, then come back and ask me if I'm lost for words :) Šarukinu 17:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Hermiz why are you blanking your page. I am Aradnaya, we are Assyrian. The village belonged to the Church of the East before the 18th Century. My uncle is a priest in the Chaldean Church and I have an aunt that's a nun. You must be 12 years old? Sargon

Guys please dont waist your time with people like these. They just like to play games. I suggest you all just to work on articles and forget these kids who claim to be professors at Universities :D Chaldean 18:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right Chaldean, but somebody has to educate them. ;) Šarukinu 00:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, Sarukinu I have been to my page and have found not lengthy post on my page.. so maybe you should go back and check before you tell me that you have written something. Secondly, I am not under the impression that there is any proof behind lets say the "Bias" fact that the village of Araden belonged to the Church of the East. If it did can I please have proof not just comments stated by you. Thirdly, Chaldean (the user) I would like you to change your username as you are lieing by saying you are chaldean when there was proof found on a talk page that you are aturaya. If you have to sink that low to ruin the Chaldean name I don't know what type of a person you are. I also did not claim to be a professor at any university so maybe before you state things like that you should open your eyes, read and then state comments. Finally, Sarukinu I believe I am very well educated and don't need people like you to educate me. Afterall all I will be receiving is bias opinions and POV's. Maybe before you people actually write a comment it will be good to read and then take note of what has been said before making up lies as you go.

Andrew.Hermiz 5:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha, nice job deleting my post Andrew, too bad it shows up in your history. I'm not going to bother with you - just read the history of the Church of the East and Northern Mesopotamia - Araden did not always "belong" to the Chaldean Catholic Church, because it didn't exist 1700 years ago, khoun. I don't know why you're so hostile towards your own brothers and sisters, but leave your political opinions out of Wikipedia.Šarukinu 15:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing :D Chaldean 21:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Iwardo

Thanks for your comment, and my apologies for not discussing my edit. You might think that "Syriacs" is not very academic --I disagree, by the way--, but "Assyrian" certainly isn't. And you probably know that "Assyrian" is not generally accepted among the Suryoye. It is a political term, not scientific one.

Syriacs is merely an English rendering of Suryoye. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 15:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I am NOT arguing against the Assyrian Identity at all... it's quite the opposite.

I'm trying to state that we are all one people despite the hundred names.The Tsar is Gone but I am King 18:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. :)Šarukinu 00:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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Shlama

Shlama khon. I am not very familier with him, but I think User:Stbalbach is. It is a great idea of what you proposed, but I think we should create a new page titled History of the Assyrians (like History of the Kurds) where we talk about all this, since the Assyrian people page will/is getting too long. Chaldean 04:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, listed on Wikiproject Assyria. Take charge! That project is just as much your as is mines. Chaldean 04:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Very nice khon. Will add whatever I can to the article. Chaldean 04:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok khon, the first thing we need to do I think is summeraize Akkad in the page. Chaldean 15:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Khon, the edits competly changed the beginning of the article. Wikipedians have agreed to have all ethnic groups to have some sort of guidelines, including a consistant starting sentence; like Armenians, Georgians, etc. And to begin the article with a statement like an identity connected to the ancient Assyrian Empire. While the Assyrian claim on this ancestry is largely correct, many other Iraqis also share the same origin. is totally out of wack. You say these kind of things leter on in the article, not in the beginning. Pshena. Chaldean 23:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Khon, I didn't do nothing with that, I just pressed enter to make it its own paragraph. Chaldean 23:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi you wanted to disscus the Western Syriacs? --WestAssyrian (talk) 12:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Sargon of Akkad

is now an FAC. Given your participation in the Assyrian wikiProject I thought you might be interested. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Assyrian cuisine

What do you think of the update? Sharru Kinnu III 15:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Cousin, I like how you wrote khartimaneh in Syriac on the cuisine page. Could you possibly do that with the other foods too that I italicized using latin script to dictate Syriac? Sharru Kinnu III

Shlamaloukh

Hey there, I saw ur name in the Assyrian History article and thought I might say Hi, seeing that you are a fellow Assyrian. Yeah theres not much of us out there, but its great theres quite a few even in Wikipedia. I hope in the future yourself and I can improve these articles relating to ourselves.

Regards,

Tourskin 07:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Shlama

Hi Sarukinu, Yes i have allready had a discussion with him about thoosetwo pictures he changed, I will vote thanks. Nochi 08:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey fellow Mesopotamian, just checkin out ur page. BTW, if u need me to lend a hand in particular just tell me.Tourskin 03:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Funny you mentioned the "Assyrian People" article - I saw that there were lots of edits and thought I could lend a hand or something or an opinion. Anyways khoun (I say khouny), bkhesenoukh (I'll see you)! I know you know surid but maybe we use english letters differently! Lol!Tourskin 05:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Shlama khouny, (i was gonna carry on in saurid but it would have been embarassing!). Thank you for your suggestion. You are free to improve it in any way you see fit. Of course youc an edit it! You do not need my permission, but I greatly appreciate your politeness.

I will see you around!

Regards,

Tourskin 16:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Tyaraye Tribe

Shlama Sargon, I need some help expanding this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EliasAlucard (talk • contribs) 19:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yo!

Hey Šarukinu, nice to see you back. Are you going to be more active or is this just temporary? — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 19:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

the Syriac nomenclature conundrum

Regarding your edit summary, "Aramaeans" [...] is [... a] subgroup: It is my understanding that "Aramaeans" is a term used by a subgroup for the entire Assyrian/Syriac group. I would be grateful if you could point out some source to the contrary if I am mistaken. Which 'subgroup', in your opinion, does "Aramaean" refer to? You will note that e.g. fr:Araméens ostensibly refers to the same (entire) group we discuss at Assyrian people. What part of the populations listed at Assyrian people (the "3.3 to 4.3 million" individuals dispersed over so many countries) does, in your opinion, the "Aramaean subgroup" include (ideally state the sources you base your analysis on)? dab (𒁳) 16:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I have replied on my talkpage. dab (𒁳) 17:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Guidelines

Please raise your thoughts on Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac)#Setting_rules.2Fguidelines. Chaldean (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Saving the Civil War in Iraq article

I noticed that you had communicated with me re Assyrian issues. On a related concern, the Iraq articles, I'm asking your help on the following: Two editors, one and IP address editor, and another, have been deleting the infobox table. If you share my belief that this is a useful table, I hope that you can participate in the defense/ restoration of this infobox.Dogru144 (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Inserting a photograph

Shlama, I Have question for you, I want to install a photograpgh of Dr. Donny George Youkhanna but I am not sure how to, do you mind doing so, it will make the article more attractive, thanks Ninevite (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ana Yathin

Khon, Ana yathen moodi eewoot wada, bayoot haywoot ow nasha tee hamzim min tooten chareh. Beyoot haywoot min aturaye oo min suryane, bas hom maralookh hadiya, doot wada aya ka hichmindi, sabab ani abat lee shakhlipee. ta 2 shabate eewoot darkooli bit kulmindi, oo ana yathin eela ta mabyinoot la bias, bas lazim katootla aya. Bas haman deewoot mara moodi ana eewin mara eele ghilta min kula libookh, then dooz eewoot oo la shakhlipoot. Malik Danno (talk) 15:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, miri hadkha sabab bayinwa dayinwa kamoodi har'wat darkulee goo dane tre shabate tee pidlay. Haman eewoot mara doozootha, pa ana b'talbin pakhlata minookh. bas wan 'confused' qamoodi wat har bizala darkul kulmindee dee. Haman wala min kula libookh, oo la qa kha 'agenda' et gnookh, 'then' gikhta b'talbin pakhalta. Malik Danno (talk) 01:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

also see section

Shlama Khon, Having seen the "Also See" section on the Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac People page, I think that it can become much better, the way it is now is very diorganized and has a lot of non-important material. I have started an "Also See" section on the discussion page, if its not too much trouble can you help out with the Also See section? Malik Danno (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC).

Hey, peace

Peace, peace

I stumbled onto your userpage and I'm figuring you may be able to answer a sociocultural question I have been wondering about. Are Mandaeans Syriac/Assyrians? I mean, they speak an Eastern Aramaic (Syriac) language, but do they identify themselves and are they identified by the Syriac/Assyrian community as an in-group? Ogress _smash! 15:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

In my life, I have only met one Mandaean, and from what I recall, he did not identify with Assyrians. To be honest with you, I cannot speak with 100% confidence on the behalf of my people as to whether or not we consider them to be Assyrian. Similarly, I cannot tell you if they consider themselves to be Assyrians. My father, since he grew up in Iraq and knew many Mandaeans (or Sabba'in in Arabic), told me that they are in fact related to Assyrians, in that we share our lineage with them and they speak a similar language. But the impression I get from other Assyrians is that many do not even know they exist, and others do not consider them to be Assyrians. One reason for this might be religious - Mandaeans are gnostic, and we are Christian. It is quite typical of Assyrians to cling to Church membership as a basis for their ethnic identities (see Names of Syriac Christians). So, to answer your question, I would say that most likely Mandaeans are not viewed by Assyrians as part of the in-group. It would be interesting to see whether or not they identify with Assyrians.

I hope that helps - sorry I couldn't give you a definite answer. --Šarukinu (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I lived in San Diego a while and there were many Mandaeans there, but they didn't generally discuss their identity - they just were "Iraqis". I didn't get a chance to ask anyone, but I got the same impression, that they didn't identify themselves as part of a larger ethnic group (Chaldean, whatever). Ogress _smash! 23:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

deletetions?

shlama khon, Im just wondering, If a member puts a warning on another members talk page, can that member who was warned delete the warning? Malik Danno (talk) 18:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you saying that it's you who put the warning in my talkpage under an ip number, falsifing another members signing? The TriZ (talk) 21:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I think this is something that should be taken up with administrators. But if it's on their talk page, I believe they have every right to remove the warning, unless it was placed there by an administrator. Hope that helps. --Šarukinu (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Shemsdin

Hi, I've just seen your post on my talk page. I'll have to go back to my book to refresh my memory of the Shemsdin district, but the village you mention doesn't ring any bells in the spelling you give it (they're nearly all Bet something, but I can't remember that one). The problem is that Cutts is about the only source we have, except for a few manuscript colophons, none of which add substantially to the list of villages Cutts gives. You're probably right that it was Bet Daiwe, which was one of the larger villages. But the name of the malek does seem familiar, somehow, and I'll check it out. Unfortunately, I suspect I may have come across the name Brimu in an article in Nineveh several years ago, and my Nineveh collection is in the UK at present while I'm in Hong Kong. But I'll run the name through my computer database of East Syrian names, and see what comes up. It's not too common a name, so I might find something of interest. I'll get back to you shortly.

On the Siirt deaths, the source I have in mind is Tfinkdji's 1913 survey of the population of the Chaldean church, which covers the Siirt district in great detail. Most of the villages at that time were Chaldean, and if you increase Tfinkdji's figures by, say, 30% to cover the relatively small number of Nestorian, Armenian and West Syrian Christians living in these predominantly Chaldean villages you get a reasonable approximation of the number of Christian families living there on the eve of WWI. The table cited in the article, if my memory serves me right, comes from Gabriele Yonan's book and is very problematical. Suffice it to say that it contradicts every available population estimate made by the various churches and missionary groups active in the area.

Djwilms (talk) 01:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The Assyrian Genocide

Further to my earlier remarks about exaggerated claims for the number of Assyrians killed in the Siirt district, I have now revisited the sources and refreshed my memory.

The total number of Assyrian Christians living in the Siirt district in 1913, on the eve of the First World War, was around 6,000 at most. The evidence is to be found in a 1913 report to the Vatican on the Chaldean church written by Tfkindji, a deacon from the church of Mardin. Tfinkdji's report is a sober and professional piece of work, and its high value has long been recognised by serious scholars of the Church of the East. After reviewing the history of the diocese since its foundation and listing its Chaldean bishops, he enumerated every village in the diocese with a Chaldean population and noted whether they had churches and priests. According to Tfinkdji, there were just under 4,500 Chaldean Christians in the Siirt district in 1913.

Tfinkdji's figures, of course, covered only the Chaldean population of the Siirt district. What about 'Nestorians', Syrian Orthodox and Syrian Catholics? Tfinkdji admitted that a few villages in the district were still 'semi-Nestorian', and there is other evidence that the Siirt district still contained a few 'Nestorian' families. However, all contemporary observers agree that, by 1913, they were vastly outnumbered by the Chaldeans. Furthermore, the Siirt district had always been an area of East Syrian settlement, and its West Syrian population in 1913 was minimal. Let's be over-generous and assume that there were perhaps 1,500 'Nestorians', Syrian Orthodox and Syrian Catholics in the district on the eve of the First World War. This gives a total Assyrian population for the district of 6,000. I myself would put it slightly lower, at about 5,000, but let's not quibble.

The broad picture painted by Tfinkdji is confirmed by the observations of Badger, Cutts and numerous other European observers who recorded their impressions of the Church of the East. Their figures for the number of Assyrian Christians in the Siirt district broadly agree, and suggest that the Assyrian Christian population rose from around 3,000 in the 1850s to a peak of 5,000 to 6,000 in 1913.

Against this background, Yonan's figures (published in the book Ein Vergessener Holocaust) are clearly absurd, and overstate the Assyrian Christian population of the Siirt district by a factor of between three and four. As I stated in my book The Ecclesiastical Organisation of the Church of the East, 1318-1918 (published by CSCO in 2001), Yonan's list of Assyrian villages has no value except perhaps as a source for the existence of Assyrian communities in one or two 'Nestorian' villages in the Siirt district not included in Tfinkdji's list.

If you wish to get the POV and citation tags removed from the article Assyrian Genocide, you cannot go on giving credence to the wild exaggerations peddled by Assyrian nationalists. As a start, I suggest that you accept Tfinkdji's evidence for the population of the Siirt district in 1913 rather than Yonan's, and scale down the number of casualties accordingly. Otherwise this article will never be taken seriously by anybody outside the Assyrian community. This would be a great shame, and a sad disservice to the memory of Addai Scher and the thousands of other Assyrians massacred during the First World War.

Djwilms (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I've been dusting off all the stuff I wrote on the Assyrian Church while I was completing my book, and will shortly be creating a series of articles on individual dioceses, illustrated with detailed topographical maps. I think I'll start with the Chaldean diocese of Seert.

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