Talk:Yeghishe Arakyal Monastery

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I corrected inaccurate statement, which mentioned a border of Karabakh with Azerbaijan, while the region is actually a part of Azerbaijan. Grandmaster (talk) 07:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalizm by de facto Republic supporters[edit]

It should be clear that there is not "Nagorno Karabakh Republic" recognized by the United Nations. --Quzeyli 20:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It is not recognized but yet it exists. Although to leave it "Nagorno-Karabakh", as it is more neutral, and to leave out of this article the disputed status of this entity. Furthermore this monastery is certainly not part of the Azerbaijani culture. Please avoid to add such controversal statements. --Vacio (talk) 05:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The UN and other transnational organizations have also decreed the right for self-determination. The status of Nagorno-Karabakh is disputed and it will be solved by virtue of NK peoples expression of will whether or not within the borders of Azerbaijan. But that's not the point here. The status issue of NK is discussed in that article, in separate articles we'll better avoid to start every time the same dispute. Let's mention that it lies in NK in a neutral way that satisfies both everyone, and let's indicate it's place in NK, that would be enough I think. Also please stop adding an Azerbaijani name of the monastery, it is certainly not an Azerbaijani monastery, as it does not represent the Azerbaijani culture. --Vacio (talk) 06:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there is `self-determination` issue that defines the status of some regions by its people. However, it cannot be applied to Nagorno-Karabakh without participation of Azerbaijan Turks and Kurds have driven from there by Armenian separatist armed forces. So, formally Nagorno-Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan and everything on it represent Culture of Azerbaijan. Because, Azerbaijan is not mono-ethnic country and its culture is synthesis of all nations who are called "Azerbaijanians"! Therefore these monasteries are the peace of Azerbaijan history. --Quzeyli 19:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, most of the monasteries in Caucasus does not belong to Armenians, they are Albanians and Albanian crosses on the walls of these monasteries were vandalized and converted to Armenian crosses. I am studying on it and you will see its proofs soon on that page! --Quzeyli 13:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I reverted: there is no legal entity called "Mardakert district" in Azerbaijan. Stop introducing false information in the article. Sardur (talk) 21:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right! Azerbaijan is divided into 59 rayons (rayonlar, singular rayon), 11 city districts (şəhərlər, singular şəhər). Mardakert is rayon, not district. --Quzeyli 13:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
There's no "Mardakert rayon" in Azerbaijan, see Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan. Sardur (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I used wrongly its de facto Armenian name. It is Agdara Rayon. --Quzeyli 13:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, you're still telling inaccuracies: there's neither "Mardakert rayon" in NKR. Sardur (talk) 13:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your feedback. "Mardakert" is the Agdara`s de facto Armenian name. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI Semi protected 1 week[edit]

I have protected this article for one week due to excessive edit warring over a content dispute. Please use the {{edit protected}} template to request changes. SGGH ping! 11:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propaganda and revert[edit]

Same kind of post as on Amaras monastery talk page:
The external link which has again been added to the article has absolutely no place here, as it is completely of a propagandistic and unreliable nature.
On top of this, we have a new revert here by Quzeyli, who just didn't care about the preceding section. A new proof, if needed, of a disruptive behaviour from that user.
And still the same inaccuracy about a so-called "Nagorno-Karabakh region". Sardur (talk) 20:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody should know that place is in borders of Azerbaijan. `NKR` is unofficial separatist administration which has not legal value. Stop wrong national propaganda on Wikipedia! First, respect to the areal integrity of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, I can also call some part of Armenia as "West Azerbaijan"... Lets, respect each other on Wikipedia regulations... --Quzeyli 15:59, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
And once again no answer relating to inaccuracies and external link. That's enough. Sardur (talk) 16:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're not respecting WP rules, and you keep on avoiding to address the issues raised by your blind reverts. Sardur (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial Country[edit]

Acoording to the map created by United Nations, Nagorno Karabakh region is a part of Azerbaijan. Please, stop unhealthy nationalism and letting misinformation! --144.122.135.88 (talk) 20:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious: could you just tell me how to access the site once you're in Azerbaijan? Sardur (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Artsakh (Karabakh) has never been a part of Caucasian Albania (what is now Azerbaijan). It has always been Armenian, and it was only passed under Azerbaijan by Stalin. Shushi also has always been Armenian, and only because of a massacre in the early 20th century did it gain some Turkish elements. But today, again, Artsakh belongs to Armenians, as it has since antiquity. So what are you talking about that the NKR is in Azerbaijan? It was NEVER a part of the Republic of Azerbaijan. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, it's been controlled, governed, and owned by Armenians. Azerbaijan (as Caucasian Albania) is only EAST of the Kura River. Anything WEST of the Kura (and certainly the mountains) are Armenia. Serouj (talk) 04:36, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please, don`t talk me about Armenian `illusions` that just accepted by just Armenia and `proved` after doing vandalism on historical monuments of Caucasian Albanians as you do here. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 05:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
`The Armenian resettlement to Karabakh monument` devoted to the 150th anniversary of the settlement of armenians from Maraga to Karabagh shows the real history of Armenians in Karabagh. Later, Armenians exploded this pedestal in order to approach to their `illusions`. --Quzeyli 05:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
What can I say? Study history to find out that Caucasian Albania has always been EAST of the Kura River! Cheers mate! Serouj (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll repeat my unanswered question: could you just tell me how to access the site once you're in Azerbaijan? Sardur (talk) 10:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is a blocked region controlling by illegal forces. Therefore, we can access there just by using military forces. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 15:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You mean in the same way that Western Armenia (Van, Kars, Ani, Bitlis, Mush, Kharberd/Elazig, Karin/Erzerum, Ardahan) is "a blocked region controlling by illegal forces"? Or in the same way that Northern Artsakh or Nakhichevan is "a blocked region controlling by illegal forces"? Do we want to go down this road? Serouj (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So what are you doing at the Middle East Technical University in Ankara? Serouj (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Allahııım! Next time, before moving anywhere, I will ask your permission. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 22:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea yavrum. Just message me on my Talk page. We'll be good friends. Serouj (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And since when? Sardur (talk) 10:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So, since 1994 - still difficult to take reality into account? Sardur (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, still more than 1 million Azerbaijani refugees are waiting return to their home! --144.122.135.88 (talk) 19:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You should get used to it. Just like 1 million Armenians who were displaced from Azerbaijan. Actually, Artsakh (NKR) was never the home of Azeris, and Baku and Sumgait were never the home of Armenians. So I think we are square. Also, don't get too depressed. Keep in mind 1.5 million Armenians KILLED by the country you are now living in, and the 1 million Armenians completely displaced from their historic homeland and now living in the U.S., France, Canada, and Lebanon. So maybe it's better that Azeris don't return to NKR and Armenians don't return to Azerbaijan. Serouj (talk) 02:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is clear that, your whole claims were based on "Armenian Genocide Lie" which is "genocide of non-existed Armenian population" living in Ottoman Empire. Recognize of this "Big Lie" just depends on politic plans of imperialist countries on that region. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 19:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you REALLY live on planet Earth? Serouj (talk) 05:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quzeyli's position is based on weird conspiracy theories and not on verifiable and neutral sources. Please do not make any more changes in this and other articles. Mcnabs (talk) 00:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source?! Is there any reliable source that prove there is a county called "Nagorno-Karabakh"?

I can easily prove that that region is a part of Azerbaijan.
  • Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region [1]. or here
  • They recalled that following the 1991-1994 armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a substantial part of the region's population was forced to flee their homes and are still living as displaced persons in those countries or as refugees abroad[2]. or here
  • Despite a ten-year ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan, about 528,000 of the 800,000 ethnic Azeris from the Nagorno-Karabakh region remained internally displaced[3]. or here
Please, check references. --144.122.135.88 (talk) 06:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No link with the monastery. The article should represent the current knowledge and the current situation, and give the most useful informations. It should not be transformed into an irredentist article. Sardur (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are about location of monasteries which have been occupied.

"Current knowledge": Nagorno-Karabakh still is a part of Azerbaijan and near 1 million Azerbaijani Turks and Kurds are refugee from there. "Current situation": Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region. see ref --144.122.135.88 (talk) 05:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are about monasteries. Keep your point to the NKR article and stop your disruptive behaviour. Sardur (talk) 05:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I proved and edited just formal location of monasteries, not historical and architectural info of these monasteries. Stop separatist propaganda! --144.122.135.88 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This monastery is not mentionned in any of your links. Sardur (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the last revert as it was done by a sock/meat account. Should I be reverted (which I do not hope), there's no need to fix the map size at 400: 275 is far more regular, and 300 is the default map size. Sardur (talk) 20:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are about the location of monasteries which has been occupied. The monasteries are in the borders of Azerbaijan. --Hay-siken (talk) 06:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/AdoptedText/TA05/ERES1416.htm
  2. ^ http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Press/StopPressView.asp?ID=1247
  3. ^ http://www.refugees.org/countryreports.aspx?cid=1301

Open Your Blind Eyes[edit]

That monastery is located in AZERBAIJAN! Stop propaganda in WIKIPEDIA! --144.122.250.211 (talk) 12:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 12:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Famous Hay tactic! Slandering... Yexeqnadzor (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nationalistic personal attacks are not allowed. And even more stupid, as I'm not Armenian. Sardur (talk) 11:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region. or here
  • They recalled that following the 1991-1994 armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a substantial part of the region's population was forced to flee their homes and are still living as displaced persons in those countries or as refugees abroad. or here
  • Despite a ten-year ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan, about 528,000 of the 800,000 ethnic Azeris from the Nagorno-Karabakh region remained internally displaced. or here
Are`t they enough for you to believe that Nagorno-Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan Republic? You just abuse confidence of Wikipedia for your separatist propaganda.Dişi-BOZQURD (talk) 23:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please, stop slandering. This tactic will not work on me, I am not like others. If you try it again, I will do official apply to Wikipedia because you do it by organized way. Kardashians (talk) 11:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit required[edit]

{{editprotected}} Can someone with rights to edit this article replace the link to minster (disambiguation page) with a piped link to minster (church). Thanks. MRSC (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Armenian link leads to a wrong article (another church) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.8.2.250 (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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