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Wasn't Castellum Regis Montfort Castle? Huldra (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult for me to answer as I have very little knowledge about Crusader sites. Here's what the source I referenced says:

"The later historical sources that seem to mention the site include two documents dating to the Crusades which refer to a place named Roeis (Mayer 2010, 1050, 1088). The more important document, dated to 1220 CE, refers to the sale of Castellum Regis, located in Miʿilya, by Otto de Hannenberg and his wife Beatrix to the Teutonic Order, and Roeis is mentioned as one of the settlements appended to Castellum Regis (Mayer 2010, 1041–1052 [no. 639]). No earlier sources seem to mention the site by this name."

The connection of Regis to the site is based on its location (7km from Mi'ilya) and its Arabic name "Khirbet Ruweis", or "Khirbet Ruwesah". Neither PEF nor Guerin made that connection.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about Al-Ruways? (#61 on the Barag-list) And Mi'ilya was also known as Castellum Regis. Huldra (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, as usually being indefinitely drunk, it seems that Roeis and Castellum Regis are two different settlements, and Roeis was identified with Tel Rosh. Secondly, it seems, therefore, that two candidates exist for Roeis, Tel Rosh, and Al-Ruways. Again, I don't have enough knowledge about the Crusader period and especially its bibliography, so I will just change the wording in the article to something like "Tel Rosh is suggested as the location of "Roeis" from crusader documents."--Bolter21 (talk to me) 09:09, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Roeis and Castellum Regis are undoubtedly two different places, (when they list the properties sold etc, they are listed as two different properties). Secondly; several places are known as Castellum Regis (=The Kings' castle, or the Royal Castle), but up until now I was unaware that anything other than Al-Ruways was suggested as Roeis (both Barag, 1979 and Frankel, 1988 gives the co-ords for Al-Ruways). But none of this is "written in stone", Huldra (talk) 21:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]