Talk:Sabrina Carpenter/Archive 1

Sources to be used

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SY68jlLtHw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD0HVdJZ0EY

Birth place?

Sources say that she was born in Bucks county. I don't think that's a part of Leigh valley.

• http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4248775/?ref_=nv_sr_1
• http://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/sabrina-carpenter.html--Chamith (talk) 12:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Her official bio at Disney here says "Originally from Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania" which is the source of the info in the article. This is pretty authoritative.

IMDb can't be used as a reference for pretty much anything on WIkipedia - see WP:RS/IMDB. Her IMDb bio was written by someone identified as "Michelle", an anonymous contributor who doesn't say where she got her info so it can't be checked.

See WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 153#Is famousbirthdays.com a reliable source for personal information. Concensus is that it is not a reliable source. Looks to be a web scraper that gets its info from other sites such as IMDb and Wikipedia. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe someone should look in an encyclopedia. Oh, wait, I have one right here: "... [P]arts of upper Bucks County around Quakertown, and portions of northeastern Berks County and southern Carbon and Schuylkill counties in Pennsylvania are considered outer parts of the [Lehigh] Valley." General Ization ^Talk 01:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Ooo WP:SARCASM. We did check reliable sources and the reference to support the info in the article says Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania Nothing more specific is supported by references so we go with what we have. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of her dating Bradley Steven Perry in the article

I've made note about this for a couple of months at least, and recent edits adding this info have been unsourced, including one I reverted in the last hour or so [1]. Because of the personal nature of this info (and since dating and relationships can be volatile), and under the guidelines set forth in WP:BLP, it is best to keep out of the article even if there are reliable sources. I also remember reverting this type of edit with a source [2], but I questioned the neutrality of that source (J-14 magazine, which is geared toward teenagers and they'll report it with a bias that will appeal to them). While I am aware of the Selena Gomez-Justin Bieber saga (well-publicized, but we are still needing to keep things objective and neutral when reporting that bit in Wikipedia), I don't know at what point reporting Carpenter's going out with Perry is appropriate (or anyone dating anyone else, in general). It probably will never be. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Somehow I don't think the ephemeral social life of a 15yo will have any long-term significance in the life of this person that needs to be noted in any bio article. However, if something from other than a teen-gossip magazines shows up that shows some significant coverage and thus notability, then inclusion in the article could be supported. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

This edit cites Disney Dreaming as a source to back the relationship between Carpenter and Perry, but I am not quite sure to trust this source for reliability (first time I've seen this source used here). As the "About" on that page lists only two co-founders, and I don't have anything to go on about their reputation for fact-checking, I'm leaning toward reverting this edit on the grounds that it's not a high-quality reliable source, which is needed per WP:BLPSOURCES. (Edit: now that I look at that "About" page more closely, it does say it's the "ultimate fan site" — an automatic flag there — so not reliable.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Assertion of "currently" being girlfriend made by a teen gossip magazine. Extremely unlikely this will ever be of long-term significance. We don't need to document her transient social life - that's why gossip magazines exist. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Is it really true? Miss Katie Jane Rigglar (talk) 22:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Attempted WP:SPLIT of Discography

This edit removed content from the discography section, and User:HeidiHalliwell moved the content into user space before moving it into the article Sabrina Carpenter discography (revision history). Per WP:SPLIT and WP:CWW guidelines, I reverted the edit made here, and made the new article redirect to the discography section. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I do not see the notability nor significance to have a stand-along discography yet.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 20:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2016

Sabrina starred as Wendy in a live theatre production of "Peter Pan" this winter at the Pasadena Playhouse. She starred alongside Kevin Quinn (Peter), Corey Fogelmanis and August Maturo. (Wendy's brothers). This should be added to her Wikipedia Page.

EmmaLyBeck (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 14:55, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Wander Over Yonder

For reference, I checked the mentioned episode and she's not listed in the end credits, not even under "Additional voices". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

The episode number given by the editor was wrong. "The Legend" is S02E28, she is credited there: "Sabrina Carpenter as Melodie". nyuszika7h (talk) 15:20, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like it was not entirely wrong, as the episode numbering is inconsistent. The episode list article currently counts the 11-minute segments as two separate episodes (and there are some 22-minute ones, in that case only one airs that day). If we count them as a/b of the same episode, "The Legend" is 2x16a. Amazon and iTunes also sell two 11-minute segments as one episodes, so it should probably be changed, but at this point it's getting off-topic here. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Since you verified the info by watching the episode credits, that is sufficient and good to note here as List of Wander Over Yonder episodes#ep67 didn't list her as guest cast and was not mentioned on IMDb for the show when I looked. There is a significant discussion at Talk:List of Wander Over Yonder episodes as to why the episodes are numbered the way they are. There is a current proposal to change it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't check the talk page so I didn't see there was already a discussion about it. Also, I've submitted the credit to IMDb now. ;) nyuszika7h (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2016

The song "Smoke and Fire" is no longer the lead single from Sabrina Carpenter's second album. The afternoon of July 23, "On Purpose" replaced "Smoke and Fire" as the album's lead single and "Smoke and Fire" was excluded from the project as a whole. Next2rain (talk) 22:23, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

 Not done It is not clear from this request what kind of change you want made to the article, plus you have not provided a reliable source to back this claim. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2017

I would like to add that Sabrina Carpenter now voices the character Melissa on Disney Channel's "Milo Murphy's Law" and sings the theme song on Disney Chanel's new show "Andi Mack" premiering on April 7th 2017. I would also like to add that she recently went on her European tour for EVOLution. Riley ol1 (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:11, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Riley ol1: Thanks for the suggestions! Your first two suggestions are now included in the article, but I didn't add the European leg of the tour to the article. I did a brief Google search and couldn't readily find any reliable sources talking about it. Since we already mention the tour in general, I’m not sure that the European leg is so important. If you disagree or have a better source, we can certainly talk about it. Cheers, -- Irn (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Interesting that nothing is mentioned in the article about her earlier days before 2011, especially on YouTube

I will definitely need to find some reliable, independent sources documenting this period, going back to the summer of 2009. Her original YouTube channel dates back to then and features her covering a bunch of songs from the age of 10 - including Alannah Myles' "Black Velvet", Vanessa Carlton's "A Thousand Miles", and Taylor Swift's "Picture to Burn" (the earliest one I saw on the channel). Even a few originals. No mention of that anywhere in the article - certainly would make her early days more complete. I do remember coming across her name, and her channel on YouTube, well before she landed her role on Girl Meets World, maybe a year or two before. Certainly would be worth reading on how she was discovered by casting agents at GMW, or by others who have seen her early YouTube videos - and no doubt, her singing back then was pretty good. But again, I'll need to find something other than the YouTube channel, preferably in independent sources, before this information can see light in the article. Any help from others to document this period would also be appreciated. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Sisters

I removed the "Personal life" section temporarily in absence of reliable sources, as the YouTube reference is dead, and the Twist Magazine article got their info wrong. Sarah Carpenter is Sabrina's younger, not older, sister. Shannon Carpenter is older than Sabrina, though. I tried looking for better references to use, but haven't found anything so far. Famous Birthdays and IMDb, which would not be reliable sources anyway, also claim Sarah was born in 1996 which is obviously wrong.

Pinging Amaury, Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and MPFitz1968. – nyuszika7h (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, wait, what? Her official (but not verified) Twitter account [3] (confirmed through Sabrina's tweet) also says she was born in 1996. But I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Twitter does not allow setting any birth year more recent than 1997 (and until recently, the limit was 1996 – they bump it up by one sometimes), so she probably set it to that and forgot to change the year part to be only visible to her, which is where the misinformation comes. from. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, no, I was wrong. Apparently she is older than Sabrina. [4] [5] I'd say she looks younger than her, I don't know where I heard that or maybe I just assumed so. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Relative ages of her sisters is pretty unimportant to this article. Say she has two sisters and leave it at that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Bradley Steven Perry

What about that she dated Bradley Steven Perry?? Tickletose (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

@Tickletose: Refer to the topic at the top Talk:Sabrina Carpenter/Archive 1#Inclusion of her dating Bradley Steven Perry in the article. Transient relationships should not be added, particularly if it's being reported only in teen gossip publications. MPFitz1968 (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits made by IP range 2602:306:B843:C6C0:/64

They have now made two edits to the article [6][7] concerning the "name" and "instrument" attributes in the infobox. The instructions at Template:Infobox person state for "name": Common name of person (defaults to article name if left blank; provide birth_name (below) if different from name). If middle initials are specified (or implied) by the lead of the article, and are not specified separately in the birth_name field, include them here. The instructions for "instrument", found at Template:Infobox musical artist, state: General class(es) of instrument(s) played by the artist, e.g. guitar or violin. Include singing, rapping, beatboxing and/or scat singing if relevant. ... Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used. As more than one address in the range has been logged in recent edits, not sure how to convey it to the one(s) in the IP range other than the talk page here. Further disruption (if additional different IP addresses come up) might warrant another semiprotection of this article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Middle name

Sabrina's Twitter username doesn't make the actual spelling of her middle name completely clear. It suggests "Ann Lynn" (which is what we have in the article right now) or perhaps "Ann-Lynn". But ASCAP says "CARPENTER SABRINA ANNLYNN" (all caps) and SACEM says "Sabrina Annlynn CARPENTER". nyuszika7h (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I found an even better reference, Sabrina writing her own name [8], so I've fixed it in the article now. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

List of works by Sabrina Carpenter

Support split - Discography and filmography take up more than one fourth of the page, and should be split to a new article entitled List of works by Sabrina Carpenter. --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support - however, as per other artists, it should be titled "Sabrina Carpenter discography" SatDis (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support discography split per nom, but Oppose filmography split. Looks like a lot more discography than filmography in the article, and her list of roles in TV and film is not terribly large to necessitate a filmography split. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
• As per MPFitz1968, Support discography split, oppose filmography split, and call the split-out Sabrina Carpenter discography. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

BTW, the current Discography tables currently violate WP:ACCESSIBILITY in a major way, so that will need to be fixed, post-split... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)