Talk:Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

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This article consists mostly of quotations without sources or dates. It doesn't address any of the issues discussed by Georg Feuerstein in Holy Madness or The Mystery of Light, promotional biographies published by a company founded by the author, e.g., "that honey bees were a gift from the planet Venus (Aïvanhov, Vol.1, p.48), and that he believed in an extensive and ancient underground civilization: “the center of the Earth is the home of the extraordinary culture of the Agarthians” (Aïvanhov, Vol.1, p. xviii)." Also, "in 1947 he was accused of espionage in France and served two years of a four-year sentence. ... Women filed complaints of sexual impropriety against Aïvanhov, thus precipitating his arrest." Finally, "Feuerstein reports group estimates that Aïvanhov’s following (1998) approached 10,000 worldwide." [1] Whether or not these assertions are true, they are verifiable, important and should be addressed in the article, in my opinion. The book list items need publication dates, publisher, ISBNs, etc. Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Master was not mentioned in Feuerstein's book 'Holy Madness'. Also Aivanhov was re-tried and found not guilty. Some of his fellow prisoners became disciples. He was exonerated of any wrong doing and the women admitted they had been incited to make false accusations. To read an account of the attack on Aivanhov and his false imprisonment see Louise Marie Frenette's book Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov - a biography.

I find it hurtful that someone with no enthusiasm for the work of Aivanhov should attempt to put a negative spin on his life. Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov has helped countless people and in the opinion of those who knew him was utterly pure and disinterested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.138.189.74 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 14 April 2006

That is helpful to know that Holy Madness is not relevant. I added Frenette's book to the reference list. Thank you. The information you give above seems relevant to me and should be added to the article. I'm not sure why you think major life events such as imprisonment should not be included. Many religious and spiritual leaders have been imprisoned or persecuted and these events are included in their articles. I defer to your judgement regarding these matters, but I think the article should contain some mention of them, if only to refute them. I'd like to see the article improved, not hurt anyone's feelings. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 22:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try[edit]

I'm not sure will I have a time, but I'll try to remake this article from NPOV. --fivetrees 21:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His first name is a comnination of two hindu god names: Om and Raam. Also the essence of Christianity is the same as that of Hindu Adwaita. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.198.28.251 (talk) 00:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

please do not label the teaching[edit]

The article states "Aivanhov's teaching is largely rooted in the Christian path but from an esoteric aspect - the inner teachings of Jesus."

I would dispute this strongly. The books I have read explain aspects of Christianity but also of other religions and spiritual philosophies such as the kabbalah, yoga, buddhism, islam and so on but the ideas did not appear to be "rooted" in an ancient religion. This teaching is something much more significant and universal than any one religion. I would describe it as a solar teaching. To associate it strongly with one particular religion is to label it with and link it to an old form. This teaching is for everyone regardless of religion. I suspect many of his followers do not understand his teaching very well and will be apopleptic with rage at this comment if they read it. Believe me this is not a primarily christian teaching. I have studied the question in great detail. Best wishes to everyone regardless. We are all trying to do the good as we see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.66.42 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You point out that the teachings of Mikhaël Aïvanhov come from a broad base of spiritual traditions. While this is undoubtedly true, it is also true that Aïvanhov did refer repeatedly to Jesus' teachings and what he called "the Christ ideal."[2]. The statement in the article which you quote above does not seem too wide of the mark, but it does need a source, which may mean it should be adjusted to be closer to Aïvanhov's actual teachings. I will attempt to do this. Sunray (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]