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Edit request on 22 April 2013

Grammatical error - Second paragraph, change "Manchester United has won many trophies" to "Manchester United have won many trophies" EpimetheusX (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The statement refers to the club, which is a singular entity, hence "has". – PeeJay 23:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

In British English, both 'have' and 'has are acceptable. 'Manchester United' can either be considered a singular entity or a collective noun. Conay (talk) 08:56, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 April 2013

The name "Newton Heath LYR Football Club" should either not be in the opening paragraph or should not be bolded as it doesn't follow Wikipedia continuity. Looking at other clubs, their original names are usually not in the opening paragraph (instead being in the "early history" section) or are not bolded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.158.28 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 May 2013 - Error in the ferguson years section

In the ferguson years section it states that united finished as runners-up in 2001-02 they actually came third that year — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevocarty (talk • contribs) 11:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done -
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 June 2013

the new player is called Guillermo Varela not Valera 86.73.215.176 (talk) 18:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. But since the transfer window doesn't open until July, he shouldn't be in the first team squad, should he? It's entirely possibly he won't actually be on the first team squad, also. Mosmof (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

New 2013-14 kits are missing detail

This edit introduced a kit that misses the shading added to the shoulders.

Compare (older) to (newer, transparent). The lack of detail is not an improvement. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

There's no "shading" on the actual shirt, it's all one colour and the fabric is woven consistently. VEO^onefive 22:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Thanks. http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/products/kit_selector.aspx?selectorid=518 Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 July 2013

wilfried zaha squad number 29 2.28.50.151 (talk) 16:42, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The cited reference says he's still numberless. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 July 2013

(1) Wilfried Zaha was wearing #29 against both the Singha All-Stars and the A-League All-Stars in Sydney. No good image (but the footage is very clear) for the Sydney game, but there is this image from Thailand: http://i1.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article2050912.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/David-Moyes.jpg (2) Fabio da Silva is now wearing #22 in Sydney. No image confirmation, but likewise the TV footage from Fox Soccer clearly shows him wearing #22. Currahee42 (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but we've had situations like this before where a player has worn one number in pre-season and then been given another when they were registered for the league (I'm thinking of Owen Hargreaves, who wore 23 – I think – in pre-season 2007 and was then given the number 4 shirt for the league). Let's wait until the official squad numbers are announced, yeah? – PeeJay 19:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't forget the Johnstone pre-season shirts aswell which was just last year pre-season. Wear number 50 at one game, number 30 in another game, and end up wearing number 50 in season.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 12:14, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request - 21 August 2013

A few edit requests please

Under "Club Officials" - could Manchester United Limited be changed to Manchester United PLC

Could "Group Managing Director: Richard Arnold" be moved above "Chief operating officer: Michael Bolingbroke". Arnold is more senior in the management structure than Bolingbroke. (Source: http://ir.manutd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=133303&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1786687&highlight=) "Michael Bolingbroke, COO, will report into Richard (Arnold) and consolidate the Club’s operations under him. His new position will see him take responsibility for the Club’s local, national and global CSR projects."

In addition to David Gill, Mike Edelson, Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex Ferguson, Edward Woodward, Michael Bolingbroke, Richard Arnold, Joel Glazer, Avram Glazer, Bryan Glazer, Kevin Glazer, Edward Glazer and Darcie Glazer are also directors of Manchester United Football Club. (Source: http://www.manutd.com/en/Club/FAQs/Club-Ownership/Question-4.aspx). Could this be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattwwales (talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2013

Ben Amos' loan extended until 1 January 2014 [1]

Jesse Lingard's loan extended until 1 January 2014 [2] Pivco (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done Loan periods have been updated to 1 January 2014 per sources you have provided. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Runner's up Medals

Almost every other football team's Wikipedia profile has the runner's up medal haul for the clubs; some profiles go as far as to have 3rd place and 4th place achievements (somewhat needless in my opinion), but surely the runner's up accomplishments should be listed for Manchester United also, particularly in the Champion's League (where they came runner's up two times in the late 2000's). The silver medals are shown in the club's trophy room (a photo shows the runner's up medals on the profile page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.228.57 (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

won more = most sucessful

If you win more trophies than any other team that makes you the most successful. It does in any other sport, so should be the same here. You win more = you are the most successful. All the liverpool fans that had LFC listed as the best for many years and argued all the time that it was true can not now say that their own arguments are now void because MUFC are now top. Read the archives, if it was correct then, it must still be correct now? There are pages and pages of claims that they were the most successful when they had the most trophies, but now they say that it doesnt make you the best if you have won more!!!! Wigan Warriors and Brasil national team are just 2 examples of teams being written as the most successful ever because they have won more trophies on wiki.Dave006 (talk) 09:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Mata No. 8

It hasn't been confirmed by the club which shirt number the player will be wearing. Thus fair it is based on rumours. I do not think a source entitled "sky sources" with a more than likely photoshopped picture accompanying it as credible enough to warrant the change. Rather keep it blank until the club or the premier league confirms it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.236.226.79 (talk) 09:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree. And a tweet from some stupid random girls twitter as the cited source, #145? That is laughable. What a joke, who the hell put that there? They should be ashamed. A registered user too. The worst bit of wiki editing I've ever seen. SORT THIS OUT REPUTABLE EDITORS!

 Done KOwool (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2014

|- class="vcard agent" | style="text-align: center" | 8 | style="text-align: center" | MF | style="padding-right:15px;" | ESP | style="padding-right:15px;" | Juan Mata 87.224.11.90 (talk) 13:42, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Already been done per club announcement.Blethering Scot 13:50, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2014

To remove the line "Manchester United have won more trophies than any other team in English football".

The source is the wikipedia page itself. If you count the club's honours on the page, the total is 64.

On the Liverpool FC page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_FC), if you add up all of their honours, the total is 65. Chris842 (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the statement is unsourced and have added a Citation Needed tag, rather than deleting it.
I suspect the problem is, what constitutes a "trophy" - does Liverpool's "Lancashire League" count? Is winning the second division really a trophy?
Is your counting up original research? or can you provide a reliable, independent, source to state that Liverpool have won more trophies?
Of course you being totally impartial, because there is no real rivalry between United and Liverpool - is there? ;-) - Arjayay (talk) 19:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Done I've completely neutralized that paragraph I believe. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 19:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2014

Current Manage: Ryan Giggs Assistant Manager: Vacant 80.218.108.9 (talk) 08:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Second Request

Manchester United won more league championships than any other English club. The second paragraph previously stated that "...have won a record twenty League titles", this has since been removed to simply read "...have won twenty League titles". The fact that this is a record should be re-added to the sentence, as it is for the FA Cup in the very next line.

 Done This seems reasonable. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 07:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit request - Club Officials

Can the following please be changed to:

Manchester United Limited Co-chairmen: Joel Glazer and Avram Glazer[154] Executive Vice Chairman: Ed Woodward[154] Group Managing Director: Richard Arnold[154] Chief operating officer: Michael Bolingbroke[154] Managing Director Asia-Pacific: Jamieson Reigle[155] Non-executive directors: Bryan Glazer, Kevin Glazer, Edward Glazer, Darcie Glazer Kassewitz, Robert Leitão, John Hooks and Manu Sawhney.[154]

Manchester United Football Club Directors: Joel Glazer, Avram Glazer, David Gill, Michael Edelson, Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson, Bryan Glazer, Kevin Glazer, Edward Glazer, Darcie Glazer Kassewitz[156] Club secretary: John Alexander[157] Club ambassadors: Bryan Robson, Sir Bobby Charlton, Sir Alex Ferguson, Gary Neville, Denis Law, Peter Schmeichel, Andy Cole[158]

Senior club staff

Deputy Chief Operating Officer: Paddy Lord Director of Communications: Phil Townsend Director of Business Development: Alan Dawson Director of Legal & Business Affairs: Patrick Stewart Head of Marketing: Jonathan Rigby Director of Finance & IT: Steve Deaville Director of Facilities: Clive Snell

Remove: Strength & conditioning coach: Mike Clegg[161] (has left the club) Replace with: Head of Strength & conditioning: Gary Walker

Move the following to "Academy Coaching Staff"

Director of youth academy: Brian McClair[165]

Remove: Director of youth football: Jimmy Ryan (retired in 2012) Remove: Under 13–16s head coach: Mark Dempsey Remove: Chief European scout: Martin Ferguson[164] Replace with Under 13–16s head coach: Chris Casper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martynww (talk • contribs) 18:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2014

Adnan Januzaj's squad number is set to be changed from 44 to 7. 92.28.232.37 (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mz7 (talk) 02:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Even if it does change, it won't happen until after 1 July. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Squad

Wilson played in a first team game today, he was added by another user, PeeJay disputed and reverted. Instead of bringing to talk he reverted me again rather than discuss. Ive reverted to consensus version and brought here. I agree with the user that added, this player made a first team appearance and is clearly a member of the first team as dictated by independent sources, he played in the first team tonight and has clearly been discussed in sourced as been promoted to the first team. Its original research by PeeJay to say these players have not trained with the first team regardless of one appearance or not. Also common sense should prevail here, they should be treated as members of first team for remainder of season. People will have seen they played in the first team and look for them in the first team section.Blethering Scot 22:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Wilson and Lawrence are not members of the Manchester United first team yet, regardless of how many first-team games they have played so far. They may have trained with the first team this week, but they do not train with the first team on a regular basis. As I said on your talk page, one swallow does not a summer make, and neither does one first-team appearance make a player into a first-teamer. As for your claim of "original research", don't make me laugh; there are no sources to say that Wilson and Lawrence are first-teamers, only that they have played a match. – PeeJay 23:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Mate you are edit warring with anyone who adds them, three separate editors now. You have 0 common sense and edit warring with everyone who adds is very poor behaviour. They are members of the first team by all means of the word at this point. You have no consensus to exclude them. Also don't you dare revert citing Bold revert discuss after an editor has already followed that reverted your bold revert telling you to take to take to talk page and started the discussion on your behalf. You were clearly not following that policy.Blethering Scot 21:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's the responsibility of the party who wants to add the content to start the discussion, not the one who reverts. Would you like to provide some concrete evidence for Lawrence and Wilson being official first-teamers now, or are you going to let this go? – PeeJay 21:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I started the discussion, it wasn't me that added the material in the first place, its you thats reverted three editors, its you who has cited policy you weren't following. Your acting like a grade a prat. No i do not intend to let this go, and you have no place constantly reverting other editors, simply saying they don't train with the first team, you have no proof they don't. What is fact is reliable sources state they were promoted to the first team for these games, these games were played this season so they are members of the first team. You are using original research and displaying WP:OWN as you do with most Manchester United pages, your way or the high way.Blethering Scot 21:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Ive reinstated as three editors wish to include and only one doesn't. Also you citing Bold revert was not valid as this had already taken place against you, so you cant try and cite it again against the original bold revert.Blethering Scot 21:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Would you care to tell me in what way I haven't been following policy? The club would have said something if Wilson and Lawrence were training with the first team now; the fact is, Lawrence has just come back from a loan spell, and Wilson is only 18 and has spent the entire season playing in the under-18s (not even the reserves). Their appearances on Saturday were merely run-outs, not an indication of first-team status. – PeeJay 21:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You cited Bold revert to revert after it had been cited against you, you are edit warring to enforce your WP:OWN issues. You are clearly out of order. Three editors have added, your only one reverting that shows consensus.Blethering Scot 21:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Three editors who clearly haven't seen my objections or the reasons behind them. Furthermore, those three editors were most likely not acting in concert, so I don't see how you can say a consensus has been formed. – PeeJay 21:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Acting in concert, are you serious. You have no consensus behind the current version, you are fully aware you reverted to your favoured version after WP:BRD had been cited and brought for discussion. The BRD was actioned against you, so you cannot then use against someone else. You won't discuss with anyone unless your favoured version is in place and thats clearly WP:OWN, your displaying that on another page where two editors have said its not correct to include in the lead in the format of sentence you are trying to especially when wasn't mentioned anywhere in main article.Blethering Scot 22:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

This is typical of the stupid discussions only to be found on Wikipedia. Wilson played for United in the Premier League and scored twice. To my mind, that makes him a Manchester United first team player. If I want to find the name of the guy who scored twice on his United debut, my first port of call would be the team article. But he's not listed there - why? Because one user decides that he, and only he, has a valid opinion and can never take the broader view. 92.26.166.1 (talk) 09:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

There was a similar discussion here regarding a different club's squad. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this encyclopedia is here for the benefit of the reader, and I suggest the reader would find it completely inexplicable that the name of a player who made an impressive debut for this club a few days ago doesn't appear anywhere on this page. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. However, I think we need to clarify where this discussion is taking place - here or WT:FOOTY. Number 57 14:50, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:FOOTY dicussion re this

There is enough consensus between here and on WP:Footy for these to be added so will go ahead. See below for comments from discussions there for clarity and to keep everything together.

Is this discussion still going? Apparently we now have to consider the issue of whether Tom Lawrence and James Wilson should be considered part of the Manchester United F.C. first team after making their debuts on Saturday. Similar to Tankovic, Roberts and Dembele at Fulham, neither Lawrence nor Wilson are listed in the first-team section of the Manchester United website, nor has any announcement been made that either player has made a permanent transition to training with the first team. As far as I'm concerned (not that I'm the be-all-and-end-all on MUFC affairs), Lawrence and Wilson are both still youth team players who have made a one-match cameo in the first team; there's no sign that their involvement is anything but temporary, especially since Lawrence has been on loan most of the second half of the season and Wilson spent most of 2013-14 in the MUFC under-18s. It can't even be argued that the website might not have been updated yet, since the website gets updated almost instantly with any squad changes, and this has not happened with Lawrence or Wilson. So anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that one appearance in the first-team does not make a player a first-teamer; after all, "one swallow does not a summer make". – PeeJay 22:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

By definition what is the first team? Is it the regular players who represent the club or anyone who pulls on a shirt to play for the first team. Even people making one appearance must have trained with the first team surely even if only to warm-up before their debut game? I would mark Wilson and Lawrence as first team players and of the first team squad just as one appearance gets a player past WP:NFOOTBALL. They have crossed the Rubicon.--Egghead06 (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Have they though? There's nothing to say they can't go back to training with the reserves this week even if they did have one or two training sessions with the first team last week. Like I say, just because they played in one match, that doesn't make them first-teamers; it just means Ryan Giggs wanted to try them in a senior game. I don't see what WP:NFOOTBALL has to do with it, BTW. – PeeJay 22:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@User:Egghead06 would appreciate if you commented at Talk:Manchester United F.C. where this was already being discussed. Or if you don't mind ill copy your comment there.Blethering Scot 16:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to copy. I have little more to say as I think that once you have played in the first team you are a first team player, just as on Wiki once you have appeared a pro game you pass NFOOTBALL. You can't un-play or un-appear.--Egghead06 (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Exactly - although I would say that younger players can be 'relegated' back to the reserves/youth team at the end of the season. GiantSnowman 18:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

OK I do have more to say!....And that would be the same for any player. For example, this season, Emmanuel Adebayor was ignored by AVB and trained with the youth team. Phil Bardsley was completely ignored by Paolo Di Canio and trained with the youth team. Under Tim Sherwood and Gus Poyet these players flourished. Don't think during the earlier regimes anyone would have said they were not in the first team squad or were first team players and listed them with the youth team squad? It all depends on how fluid you want the squad listings to be on Wiki?--Egghead06 (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

GS thats exactly what I first said, once season is over and they aren't part of first team at all next season then thats a different story, these players will likely still play a mix of first team and youths for some time.Blethering Scot 19:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Between here and the article talk page and in addition the two ether editors who added the info and were reverted, is there enough consensus to add these players to the first team squad for at least the remainder of the season?Blethering Scot 19:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Can people also comment here on whether Wilson should be included in first team squad having played for the first team this season.Blethering Scot 16:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

There happens to be a discussion a few sections up (see Fulham squads (and squads in general)). LRD NO (talk) 16:19, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Was already being discussed on talk man UTD so its more helpful if people post there. Also its the other page where PJ has displayed own issues so its consensus thats needed.Blethering Scot 16:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

It's a wider issue than just Manchester United though, isn't it? That's why I reignited the above discussion. – PeeJay 17:45, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah but doesn't give the consensus on the page thats actually affected, the one where three editors disagreeing with you wasn't enough. Discussions should be kept together, not spread over multiple pages.Blethering Scot 19:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Of course the consensus applies to the page you're talking about. It's a project-wide consensus. – PeeJay 19:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

PJ you didn't even mention the discussion was ongoing on that page when you posted here, you had no intention to do so. Given a discussion is already ongoing its very poor practice to open multiple discussions without linking to the other ones on both pages. Not one bit about everything you have done on these two pages have been optimal.Blethering Scot 20:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd list him per common sense. -Koppapa (talk) 20:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Ditto. Personally I think anyone with a squad number should be in the squad list. Number 57 14:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Macheda's gone lads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.234.75.43 (talk) 12:30, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Not until the end of his contract on 30 June. – PeeJay 17:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2014

Manchester United is the best and biggest club in the world. They have the worlds best stadium called Old Trafford 212.159.177.202 (talk) 18:22, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014

Will Keane who plays as a forward for Queens Park Rangers on loan from Manchester United. His name is missing from Manchester united squad. Raunvivek (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Will Keane is not a member of the Manchester United first team. You can find his name listed on the Manchester United F.C. Reserves and Academy page. – PeeJay 19:55, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2014

Remove Alexander Buttner and add Ander Herrera IAmAHorseSizedDuck (talk) 01:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Source and when does the transfer window open? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2014

Remove alexander Buttner from the list of current players as he has left and add Andrea Herrera and Luke Shaw as they have joined the club. Aldeirm2 (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The Buttner transfer has not been confirmed by either Manchester United or Dynamo Moscow (the Dynamo Moscow website admitted they still have to work out some technical details), and neither Ander Herrera nor Luke Shaw can actually move clubs until 1 July. – PeeJay 17:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit request - Club Officials & Coaching Staff

Remove Michael Bollingbroke as Chief Operation Officer. Change Jamieson Reigle's title to Managing Director, Asia Pacific Remove Rob Swire as First Team Physio and add Neil Hough Add Albert Stuivenberg as Assistnat Coach [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.45.66 (talk) 16:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Done, thanks. – PeeJay 19:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request - Coaching staff

Remove Richard Hartis as Academy Goalkeeping coach and add Jack Robinson [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.45.66 (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

LinkedIn is not really a reliable source. Can you provide a better one? – PeeJay 21:28, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2014

the dates of the sponsership is wrong Nadimosman93 (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Specifically, please specify which dates are wrong, and give the correct dates. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Yet again...

So, I went through the archive, and their are numerous occasions when this has been discussed - Manchester United are/were versus Manchester United is/was. WP:TIES says the former is correct. The only person really opposing the change in the archives was PJ. And he is yet again. So, thoughts on what should be used throughout the article? RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 16:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I take it you haven't looked at the article's peer reviews and featured article nominations then? Come back and complain when you've actually read the necessary material. – PeeJay 18:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

This article uses British English. See articles such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2 and most European and British football team articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:05, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Provide them for me then, cause I've got no idea what you mean or where to find them. If you want to go against consensus and WP:TIES, that's not my problem. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

They're linked at the top of this page. If you can't find them, that's not my problem. – PeeJay 21:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for being so obtuse regarding my queries for the links. I went through them and there is literally zero consensus on the matter. The talk page archives all favour "Manchester United are/were", as does WP:TIES. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Republic of Ireland

If United sacked Van Gaal and appointed a German, would the note next to that manager state "First manager from outside the United Kingdom or the Republic of Ireland or Netherlands". When does it stop? Why is that LVG note even there? Eire isn't a part of the UK. O'Farrell was the first foreign manager. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

A manager from the RoI is not considered a "foreign" manager in the English Premier League normally. JMHamo (talk) 18:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Why? According to who? Denis Irwin and Roy Keane were considered foreigners. The very definition of foreign means that O'Farrell was the first foreign manager. The nature of English football, featuring Welsh teams, and Scottish football containing English-based teams, could feasibly mean that British club football could be bundled together under that banner on Wikipedia (although the Scottish referendum could change this]]... but Eire isn't in the UK. It's a foreign country. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Taking politics out of this entirely, Ireland is part of the British Isles geographically and as such a manager from the British Isles would not be considered foreign. JMHamo (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Louis van Gaal isn't foreign because Netherlands and England are both a part of Europe and the EU. Right. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I will assume you are joking... JMHamo (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Eire isn't part of GB or UK, it's foreign. If you want to use arbitrary geographic locations, why not extend to Europe? Afterall, Amsterdam is nearer to London than Dublin is. Where do we stop? Cut it dead at the beginning - Ireland is a foreign location. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Ireland is part of the British Isles, which is not an arbitrary location. I am not sure what you are trying to achieve to be honest. JMHamo (talk) 20:49, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

In terms of deciding whether Eire is a foreign location, yes, it is an arbitrary location. It's only ever mentioned when people realise Eire isn't part of either GB or UK. Why stop at British Isles? Why not extend to Europe? RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I am Irish living in England and I don't feel I am a 'foreigner' at all. I will let other people state their opinion on the matter now. I have said my bit. JMHamo (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any problem accepting that Ireland is a foreign country, but given the shared history between the UK and Ireland (lest we forget, Ireland was part of the UK until the 1920s), it makes sense to link them here. I'm sure you're aware, but the UK does not share its history with the Netherlands or Germany in the same way. – PeeJay 22:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The shared history that the Irish fought and died for the right to not be a part of. Even when O'Farrell was appointed, it had been over half a century. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Coaching & Medical staff - addition

Add Jos van Dijk as First Team Physiotherapist [5] Add Max Reckers as Video Analyst [6]

Much as I'd like to, those are not reliable sources. How do we know who the people in those photos are? – PeeJay 15:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Google them! They are who i say they are!

and who are you....? (rhetorical question) JMHamo (talk) 17:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Look at the shorts in both photos - JVD = Jos van Dijk MR = Max Reckers. They are both stood with Louis Van Gaal. If you search for them on Google, you'll see they are who i say they are! What further proof do you need?

Those initials could stand for anything. I appreciate that they probably don't, but photos of men in monogrammed football kit are insufficient. We don't know who those men are or what their roles are at Manchester United, if they even have roles at the club. We need something a little more explicit. – PeeJay 20:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

You will see that Van Gaal confirmed in the press conference today that Jos van Dijk has joined as a Fitness Coach and Max Reckers as Performance Analyst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.45.66 (talk) 18:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Are there any links on the internet to corroborate that? If so, please provide them for us. – PeeJay 22:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Here you go http://www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/150450-1-Our-VIP-readers-saw-this-first-yesterday-Now-here-the-full-pre-LA-Galaxy-game-Louis-Van-Gaal-MUTV-interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.45.66 (talk) 18:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Forums like that aren't usually considered reliable sources, but I'm willing to overlook that this time due to the fact that this one corroborates other sources. – PeeJay 19:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Although it seems that Van Dijk is more like a fitness coach than a physiotherapist. After all, Neil Hough is taking over as first-team physiotherapist. Not sure if Tony Strudwick has kept his job and is working alongside Van Dijk, though, or if he's been sacked. – PeeJay 19:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Academy Goalkeeper Coach

Add Alan Fettis [7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.45.66 (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you incapable of using the word "please"? Get some manners, dude. – PeeJay 00:36, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

First Team Squad

So when are we gonna update the squad numbers? Herrera number 21 and Shaw number 28. That's the numbers they've worn in the their first two games for the Man Utd first team. No point in sticking to the official website. As the great PeeJay once said "The Man Utd site is notoriously unreliable for up-to-the-minute info on the club's squads." And that's a direct quote.

I'm glad you think so highly of me. Please see Talk:Ander Herrera for the reason why we will not be assigning squad numbers to Herrera or Shaw before they are officially confirmed. – PeeJay 00:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

But for now that's the numbers they have. It can always be edited again when the season starts. People are gonna be looking at this page and then watching united's pre-season matches and they'll be thinking that Angelo Henriquez looks like a great midfielder.

I don't think they would think that, since the guy with the number 21 on his back is also wearing his name, and that is not Henriquez. Numbers worn in friendlies mean absolutely nothing. – PeeJay 22:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's settle this once and for all.[8] VEO^onefive 17:44, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Apparently, it's a bold edit to say that Sir Matt Busby was the first manager to compete in UEFA competition and that Louis van Gaal is the first manager from mainland Europe.

Thoughts? RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Louis van Gaal is not just the first manager from mainland Europe, he's the first from anywhere outside the British Isles. Matt Busby's European pedigree is made exceedingly clear earlier in the article, and that milestone would have been reached regardless of who was in charge. – PeeJay 20:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The subheader says "note" for a reason; the note being that Busby was the first to bring United into Europe. If it isn't included as the milestone would have been reached regardless, why mention anything? All these milestones would have been reached regardless (Irish, Welsh, Scottish, player-manager). What a dreadful and contradictory argument. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

But Busby didn't "bring" United into Europe. European football happened to Manchester United in 1956, that is true, but it would have happened to the club regardless of which manager was in charge that season. However, the record of "first manager from [country X]" was specifically set by the appointment of [manager Y]. It's a function of the appointment itself, not a coincidence of timing. – PeeJay 23:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Erm, no, it wouldn't. Chelsea hadn't competed in Europe the previous season because they were told they couldn't. United were also told they couldn't play in Europe, but Busby defied the warnings of the authorities. The record of "first manager to compete in Europe" was specifically set by Busby. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Be that as it may, it's still a quirk of the timing that he happened to be in charge at the advent of pan-European club football. – PeeJay 00:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I suppose it's also a quirk of timing that he reinvented youth football and made United the most successful club of the 50's too huh. You could attribute everything to a quirk of timing that would be a pathetic rationalisation. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 00:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

No, but I wouldn't say it was worth noting as a club record. Yes, he did those things, but they're not records like "First manager from [country X]"; they're things he did, not things that he is. – PeeJay 00:24, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

So, the note about Alex Ferguson having won the most trophies should be removed as that is something that he did, rather than something he is. Got it. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

I have just blocked 2 editors for edit warring on this page and another. Edit warring results in blocks, discussion results in progress. Thank you. Chillum 13:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Vidal

Could Vidal be removed as not currently a player at MUFC. No confirmation has been made that he has signed at this point. Candymedusa (talk) 13:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2014

|- class="vcard agent" | style="text-align: center" | —7 | style="text-align: center" | MF | style="padding-right:15px;" | ARG | style="padding-right:15px;" | Ángel Di María Lasty123 (talk) 09:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done - by another

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2014

Add Daley Blind to the player list as number 15. I know sources close to the player and it has been confirmed that he will wear the number 15 shirt and is set to sign his contract in the coming hours. Beirno077 (talk) 12:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - still not finalized, and we will need a citation from a reliable source when it is - Arjayay (talk) 16:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

First-team squad update

Bebé signed for Benfica. 85.240.133.215 (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC) Can we please have other players in the Manchester united first team squad. Such as the ones that have played for the first team this season in competitions such as the capital one cup. Also the ones with squad numbers on the reserves as they must be in the first team to have been given squad numbers? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.171.185 (talk) 16:34, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Please add Daley Blind — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.171.185 (talk) 18:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request Coaching staff job titles

Can the following be changed please?

Marcel Bout is Assistant Coach and Scout [9]

Jos van Dijk is technical consultant [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.163.46.55 (talk) 15:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Tony Strudwick is Head of Athletic Development [11]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2014

I would like to give you vaild information about this team.

Louis Van Gaal 217.30.100.195 (talk) 11:08, 9 October 2014 (UTC)  Not done, - What exactly would you like to do? Lukejordan02 (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2014

RAK009 (talk) 23:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Your request is blank. Stickee (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Why does the infobox point to last year's results and not the current season

I agree that one of us has missed the point, but it's not obvious to me which. Why point to the previous season? I changed it because I wanted to see this year's results, and I assumed that others would as well. Could someone make the case that pointing to last year is the right choice? Rks13 (talk) 04:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The infobox shows you information from the most recent completed season, since it lends a degree of stability to the article. It's pointless changing the info every week. If you want info on the current season, there is a link to the club's current season article at the bottom of the infobox. – PeeJay 11:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

OK. I got lazy and didn't scroll down to see the current season link. Rks13 (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Player

Ben Amos please can his loan expiry date be amended by a further month — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.171.185 (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for noticing. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Jimmy Porter Manager of Manchester United 1 Aug 1938 to 31 May 1944

The Wikipedia list of Manchester United managers doesn't show Jimmy Porter as manager. References:

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1724&teamTabs=managers

http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/manchester-united http://www.managerstats.co.uk/managers/jimmy-porter/ http://www.leaguemanagers.com/managers/jimmy-porter/

Jimmy porter is the 5th longest serving manager of Manchester United according to the Daily Telegraph: http://www.lfchistory.net/Opposition/Manager/Profile/495

Reference for games played against Liverpool with Jimmy Porter Manager: http://www.lfchistory.net/Opposition/Manager/Profile/495

Walter Crickmer who is shown as a manager on the list was actually the club secretary.

Jimmy Porter's immediate family still live in Bury.

Is it possible for someone who has the authority to correct the list. Tanks D Wilde — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.77.10 (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

No Manchester United sources record Porter as the manager. Crickmer was the head honcho at the time, so he's the guy we list. – PeeJay 13:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Ben Amos

Ben Amos is still listed in the "On Loan" section, even though his loan with Bolton finished on the 4th April. 81.132.104.136 (talk) 14:27, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for Ben Amos 13th May 2015

Remove Ben Amos from the "On Loan" section and return to the "First team squad" as his loan with Bolton F.C. expired on 4th April 81.132.104.136 (talk) 14:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Thanks for helping. QED237 (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2015

In the Honours section it reads out "The club currently holds the record for most top-division titles (20), the most FA Cups (11), and the most FA Cup Final appearances (18).[200] Manchester United holds the record for the most Premier League titles (13)", But presently Arsenal holds the place for the most FA Cups(12){http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32856754} and the most FA Cup Final appearances(19){http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32261616} Moudgal (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 21:31, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Academy staff

Can someone please wikilink U18 head coach Paul McGuinness to Paul McGuinness (footballer). Thanks, 81.141.246.36 (talk) 08:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Paul McGuinness (footballer) is already linked in "Assistant director for 17–21 year olds: Paul McGuinness" 2 lines above the "U18 head coach" entry - as per WP:OVERLINKING, we do not link every instance of a name, just the first time it is used. - Arjayay (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

My mistake - missed his entry above. 81.141.246.36 (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Manchester Cup

Should the 1886 Manchester Cup be added to our honours roll as it is listed at the top of the section? It is no less important than the Lancashire League which is on Liverpool's honour roll for some reason.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefelmer (talk • contribs) 14:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

We shouldn't concern ourselves with what other clubs consider notable. Their lists are based on sources that are not analogous to the sources used for the MUFC honours. And no, the Manchester Cup shouldn't be added to the overall list due to the fact that it is no longer a first-team competition for Manchester United; we've entered a reserve team in the Manchester Senior Cup for decades. Even the wins from when it was a first-team competition shouldn't be added since it was a regional competition. I only added it to the prose above the main list because it was the first ever competition United won. – PeeJay 14:38, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

compromise

As Davefelmer & PJ2k3 were having some form of dispute about exactly how many honours should be on the article, I was WP:BOLD and found a compromise without consulting either of them. I hope you guys understand my motivation in doing that, you both had valid points, but were heading towards an edit war. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out and sorting the situation. Davefelmer (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2015

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ESP	David de Gea
2	DF	BRA	Rafael
3	DF	ENG	Luke Shaw
4	DF	ENG	Phil Jones
5	DF	ARG	Marcos Rojo
6	DF	NIR	Jonny Evans
7	MF	ARG	Ángel Di María
8	MF	ESP	Juan Mata
9	FW	NED	Memphis Depay
10	FW	ENG	Wayne Rooney (captain)
11	MF	BEL	Adnan Januzaj
12	DF	ENG	Chris Smalling
13	GK	DEN	Anders Lindegaard
14	FW	MEX	Javier Hernández
16	MF	ENG	Michael Carrick (vice-captain)
17	MF	NED	Daley Blind
18	MF	ENG	Ashley Young

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
21	MF	ESP	Ander Herrera
22	MF	ENG	Nick Powell
23	MF	GER	Bastian Schweinsteiger
25	MF	ECU	Antonio Valencia
28	MF	FRA	Morgan Schneiderlin
30	DF	URU	Guillermo Varela
31	MF	BEL	Marouane Fellaini
32	GK	ESP	Víctor Valdés
33	DF	NIR	Paddy McNair
35	MF	ENG	Jesse Lingard
36	DF	ITA	Matteo Darmian
42	DF	ENG	Tyler Blackett
44	MF	BRA	Andreas Pereira
49	FW	ENG	James Wilson
50	GK	ENG	Sam Johnstone

Knwldge4U2 (talk) 12:39, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

References

The numbers worn by players in pre-season aren't official. This change will not be made. – PeeJay 12:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Add Cameron Borthwick-Jackson to the squad with number 43 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.13.74 (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

No, the club website doesn't list him as part of the first team. – PeeJay 02:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes they do — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.13.74 (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Only since this afternoon... – PeeJay 22:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Can Marcus Rashford (Squad no. 39) and Sean Goss (Squad no.45) please be added as they have appeared in the 1st team match day squad and Varela be given the number 30 number

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On Loan

Please can Will Keane's number be added instead of a - it is number 48 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.123.208 (talk) 14:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a source that says he has a number at ManU? Qed237 (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Sam Johnstone is now loaned to Preston North End  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.171.185 (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2015 (UTC) 

• Will Keane has returned from Preston
• Sam Johnstone has joined Preston
• Januzaj has returned from Dortmund

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.171.185 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a source? Qed237 (talk) 12:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Will Keane was in the under 21's game on Monday Source:http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Reserves/Reserves-News/2016/Jan/u21s-match-preview-manchester-united-v-tottenham-hotspur.aspx Sam Johnstone is confirmed by Preston Source:http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/sam-johnstone-re-joins-in-loan-deal-2878548.aspx Adnan Januzaj is confirmed by Man Utd Source: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/Jan/adnan-januzaj-returns-to-manchester-united-from-loan-spell-at-borussia-dortmund.aspx

Sam Johnstone has returned to Man Utd and Nick Powell is on loan at hull for the season

Sam Johnstone

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Features/2016/Jan/manchester-united-transfers-ins-and-outs-january-2016.aspx Sam Johnstones loan finished 7 days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.123.211 (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2016

Premiership champions 2016 5.71.165.135 (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Johnstone & Love

Please can Sam Johnstone be taken off the loan list. He returned to Manchester United on the 28th January. Donald Love needs adding to the 1st team, this is displayed on the official Manchester United 1st team page on the website — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJ 97 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

rivalries

I've added the Arse/Man Utd rivalry to the lead and cited it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:06, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

You can add all the citations you want, but if you add Arsenal, you have to add Leeds. – PeeJay 14:32, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

If it's supported with a citation, is notable and does not give undue weight, then I have no objections to Leeds. Historically, they are rivals. I think a lot of it comes down to which era you are thinking of. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Which is exactly why you shouldn't add either Leeds or Arsenal to the lead. Manchester United's perennial rivals have always been Liverpool and Manchester City. The Leeds rivalry has been quite sporadic and minor by comparison, while Arsenal were only rivals from the late 1990s to the late 2000s. You'd be hard pushed to say there's any more of a rivalry now between Manchester United and Arsenal than between Manchester United and Chelsea or Tottenham Hotspur. – PeeJay 14:44, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

A line has to be drawn somewhere, rivalries can't be based on perspective for this article, they have to be based on the sources we have available to us. Maybe because of the era, there are a huge pile of sources regarding the Arsenal rivalry, I'm sure a lot of that is because of the changes in the media, but it's what we have, and it's what we base the article on. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The article is based on the sources we have at our disposal, but the lead section is supposed to be a general summary of the article as a whole. There is a lot of information in the article that we don't include in the lead, and these minor rivalries with Arsenal and Leeds should be left out too.

– PeeJay 09:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Shirt sponsor/manufacturer table

Is it really necessary to have the shirt sponsors and kit manufacturers in a table? All the info is already in the text, so it's just repeating that, and I wouldn't have thought that it is sufficiently important to be re-emphasised in such a fashion. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with providing an at-a-glance reference for that stuff. Sure, it's all written out in the text, but who wants to read through a wall of text when they can look at a table. Nothing wrong with having both, IMO. – PeeJay 10:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, it's a bit of a WP:ILIKEIT vs. WP:IDONTLIKEIT! It just seems like a pretty unimportant aspect of a club to me. In terms of shirt sponsors and kit manufacturers Man Utd have had relatively few, but for some other clubs these tables are ridiculous. If you started included all the club's sponsorships/commercial partners then that table would be totally unwieldy. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2016

Please add after the laste sentence of paragraph ' 2013 - Present':

'United's manager Louis van Gaal has been heavily criticised during his third season and various articles in the British newspapers incorrectly referred to his sacking (see note 1). The general negative feelings with the press, former United players and the supporter fanbase about Louis' third tenure at the helm have been fuelled by the disappointing results, the selling of quality players that are performing well with their new teams (Angel di Maria, Javier Hernandez) but mostly with the passive possession based style of play lacking the renowned attractive attacking football style displayed by Sir Alex Ferguson's teams in the past years (see note 2).'

Sources note 1: Man United Latest News, Van Gaal sacking latest, Rhys Turrel, Daily Star, 26 Dec 2015 note 2: Forget Mourinho public bluster, Man United are still desperate for Van Gaal to succeed. Kris Voakes, Man United correspondent for Goal.com, 22 Feb 2016

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Manchester United - Van Gaal Sacked

According to multiple sources, Van Gaal is no longer the manager of Manchester United. In other words, United will sign a deal with Mourinho the following day. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36356584

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016

Change name of manager to José Mourinho. 76.184.218.244 (talk) 19:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Qed237 (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

We wait until it is officially announced - as stated by the BBC "An official announcement from the club is expected on Friday." - Arjayay (talk) 19:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Fosu-Mensah

As Fosu-Mensah appearances for the first-team have all been at Full Back (or was there one as a Centre Back?) should his entry on the player list be changed from MF to DF? 86.132.183.110 (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2016

Hdboyband (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

    1 GK David De Gea
    4 DF Phil Jones
    5 DF Marcos Rojo
    6 MF Paul Pogba
    7 FW Memphis Depay
    8 MF Juan Mata
    9 FW Zlatan Ibrahimovic
   10 FW Shrek Rooney (Vice-captain)
   11 FW Anthony Martial
   12 DF Chris Smalling (3rd-captain)
   16 MF Michael Carrick (Captain)
   17 DF Daley Blind
   18 MF Ashley Young
   19 FW James Wilson
   20 GK Sergio Romero
   21 MF Ander Herrera
   23 DF Luke Shaw
   25 MF Ross has no penis
   27 MF Marouane Fellaini
   28 MF Morgan Schneiderlin
   30 DF Subscribe to BeXo Tv on youtube
   31 MF Bastian Schweinsteiger (4th-captain)
   33 DF Paddy McNair
   34 GK Jabu the hut
   35 MF Jesse Linggard
   36 DF Matteo Darmian
   37 DF Donald Trump
   29 ST Alex Hunter 
   39 FW Marcus Rashford
   41 DF Snuffels the pig 

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

First team squad

Smalling is the third captain and not Zlatan. I watch every game and I always see him with the armband when Rooney isnt playing

reference: http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-united/story/2588352/chris-smalling-third-captain-at-manchester-united — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.117.217.143 (talk) 09:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2016

Karan9100 (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello,

I want to edit the history section in which i want to edit the '2013-present' day article.I want to mention Paul Pogba's record signing fee to it.As it is a world record signing fee, it requires a mention in the history section. Also,people in the future would know that United had a world record signing in their history.

Link- http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37016170

2nd Point

There is no mention of the renaming of the south stand to Sir Bobby Charlton in the grounds section.

As a part of my project I have to do it,so it would be helpful is I would get my request.

Link- http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2016/Feb/South-Stand-at-Old-Trafford-renamed-Sir-Bobby-Charlton-Stand.aspx

Regards Karan Jain

What do you mean "as part of my project"? Are you intending to edit Wikipedia as part of some sort of academic exercise? Anyway, you have an account now, so as soon as you make enough edits, you should earn the right to edit this article yourself. – PeeJay 14:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request Park ji-sung add the Club ambassadors

Please add Park ji-sung in Club ambassadors!!!

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2014/Oct/ji-sung-park-delighted-to-be-back-at-old-trafford-as-manchester-united-club-ambassador.aspx#

• Club ambassadors: Andy Cole,[12] Gary Neville,[13] Bryan Robson,[14] Peter Schmeichel,[15] Park Ji-sung

Hello can I edit some more good information

Ribesh pokharel (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Honours List

Can I make a request for a very efficient editor to add Man Utds Youth Cup haul to the honours list on Man Utds Wiki page. They're not major trophies I know but neither are Charity shields. People should know about United's storied youth history. I.e Busby Babes and Fergies Fledglings. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. Honours list Alicultivated (talk) 22:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Youth_Cup

EDIT CAPTAIN Chris Smalling is the third captain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.228.14 (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2017

Ngocbilc (talk) 04:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — Train2104 (t • c) 04:25, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2017

I would like to add a few links to Manchester United Wikipedia page. The change is to add a link to "Owner: Glazer family"

Arvarma (talk) 08:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - the club is owned by "Manchester United plc" - as stated in the infobox - which already links to our article Glazer ownership of Manchester United whilst the section "Ownership and finances" has a hatnote also linking to that article - Arjayay (talk) 14:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2017

First Team Squad Player JamesWilson's kit number is Number 49 Mohammedmotala1 (talk) 12:09, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Doubles

I've changed, and reverted the revert, on the number of Doubles United have won. Yes, 98-99 was the year we won the Treble, but it was also a domestic Double.

Just because it was part of the Treble doesn't stop it from being part of a Double. If it didn't, then we wouldn't hold the joint Double record with Arsenal - Double (association football)#England. Darkson (I survived the 525!) 13:25, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Just saw this. While what you say is true, I didn't think it's consistent to list the third Prem/FA Cup double, but not list our second European double (or indeed not list an FA Cup/European Cup double). That's why I was following what was done on the other British Club articles where a team has won some form of treble (like Celtic, Rangers and ugh, Liverpool). That's only my opinion though. No hard feelings. MotorrMann (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

So why didn't you add that, rather than removing verifiable information?

I've added the 2nd European double, although I've never heard that mentioned in the media, unlike our 3 (domestic) doubles. Darkson (I survived the 525!) 19:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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Manchester united has now won more trophies than any otehr team and by Wednesday they would have added another. I would just like to contribute that piece NinhoMUFC (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

That's not true. Celtic have won more trophies, and that's even if United win tonight. You've jumped the gun a little bit, pal. – PeeJay 13:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2017

Manchester united has now won more trophies than any other English team and also the only team to have won all major club honors and a prestigious 6th place finish. NinhoMUFC (talk) 13:06, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Not sure why you've posted two requests in quick succession. Either way, this doesn't need adding. – PeeJay 13:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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The opening paragraphs state that United are now one of five clubs to have won all three major European honours. They are now also the only English club to have won all major honours worldwide (including the Club World Cup and, before that, the Intercontinental Cup). I think should also be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.206.117 (talk) 11:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

To be blunt, what you think is irrelevant. However, if you would care to provide a source that explicitly mentions United's victories in those other competitions, feel free to add it. – PeeJay 21:21, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

PeeJay, your "bluntness" (or ignorance as it is also known) is the reason why so many people are turned off editing on Wikipedia. You are doing this site a disservice. I was making an encyclopaedic suggestion. I don't see why a source that "explicitly mentions United's victories in those other competitions" is needed, considering they already are provided in the article. Further, only five English clubs have won the European Cup (Manchester United, Liverpool, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa and Chelsea). Of those five, only Manchester United have also won the Club World Cup and/or Intercontinental Cup.

I will leave this to the consideration of other editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.201.9 (talk) 23:13, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. First of all, I don't think you know what 'ignorance' means. Second, I don't care whether people are turned off editing Wikipedia or not. Editors should be prepared to debate the merits of their inclusions, not just simply make them and hope for the best. Finally, if you don't understand why a source explicitly mentioning all five competitions is required, I'd suggest that it's you who is ignorant. It's not our place to group specific competitions together - we have some groups, e.g. Doubles and Trebles, because reliable sources also do so. I have yet to see any sources put the European Cup/Champions League, UEFA Cup/Europa League, Cup Winners' Cup, Club World Cup and Intercontinental Cup together as a notable group. Without such a source, editors could easily accuse us of simply putting together groups of competitions that only specific teams have won. So again, if you have a source for why those competitions should be grouped together, that's fine, but even then I wouldn't put it in the opening section of the article. – PeeJay 15:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

You may not, that's cool, but that is the point of Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation certainly cares. Wikipedia does not belong to a small group of editors, despite what they may think. All should be welcomed. To point out the obvious, the follow link (already in the article) is one of those which states Manchester United are the only English club win all major honours worldwide; http://talksport.com/football/europa-league-final-manchester-united-brink-unique-achievement-no-other-english-club-could

Whether or not people get turned off editing Wikipedia is irrelevant to their ability to do so. Nevertheless, thank you for providing a source. Unfortunately, I am unable to read every word of the articles we use as sources here, so that one passed me by. Feel free to add that fact to the 'Honours' section. – PeeJay 09:24, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Added; I also added a brief expansion in the second opening paragraph. Please remove/edit this if inappropriate. Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbx118 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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Tpms2000 (talk) 15:02, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Please change - Manchester United are the most successful club in England... to - Manchester United is the most successful club in England...

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2017

Please correct or source this edit to the United lineup - according to United's website, Andreas Pereira is still number 44. I'm presuming the edit was a genuine mistake but if it was correct then the article's citations need updating.

79.65.124.74 (talk) 06:24, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

The change was made according to United's squad list for the Super Cup on UEFA.com (see here). Thanks for keeping us on our toes. – PeeJay 13:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)