Talk:List of archaeological sites in Israel and Palestine

Split

We have already had a broad consensus to split the "in Israel and the State of Palestine", "in Israel and Palestine" or "in Israel and the Palestinian territories" articles into "in Israel" and "in the State of Palestine" (or "in the Palestinian territories"). This newly created article should be no exception. See previous cases of Talk:Islam_in_Israel#Split and Talk:Lists_of_mosques_in_Israel_and_Palestine#Split.GreyShark (dibra) 09:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The reason why I chose to incorporate both articles together was becuase generally speaking, most of the archaeology done here is by Israeli archaeologists. I won't strictly oppose such split, but generally speaking most of these sites are connected some how and the land is studied as a single geographic entity. But if there would be more support for a split, so be it. I do kinda fear this will turn into a "List of archaeological sites in the State of Palestine".--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

This should be split as has occurred with many other articles. And it's supposed to be State of Palestine or Palestine, not Palestinian territories.Selfstudier (talk) 16:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Been a month now. Selfstudier (talk) 11:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether it should be split, but I'd like to point out that "this article should be split because other articles have been split", completely ignoring the explanation for not splitting given by the person who wrote it, is an extremely weak argument. – Joe (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

It's not really an argument, more a summary of what has been happening, which is actually quite logical and follows on from "State of Palestine" becoming a thing some years ago which upended all the categories and otherwise caused general mayhem. "Palestinian territories" is something of an anachronism as a result. So it ought at a minimum to be renamed. As for the split, the problem there is comments like the above, generally made by those of a pro Israel disposition, "most of the archaeology done here is by Israeli archaeologists" (that's because they represent the occupation, they weren't invited) and "fear this will turn into a "List of archaeological sites in the State of Palestine" (why would anyone be afraid of that if it is the case?). These one sided commentaries, which just lead to argument, can be largely avoided by splits. Perhaps a split is not strictly necessary here but we need to keep the nationalism out of it and I am not sure if that's possible.Selfstudier (talk) 13:37, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Some more time has rolled on by. I think the only way we might avoid an article split is to split within the article itself, how about that? And it still needs a rename.Selfstudier (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I am totally in favour of keeping it together. If anything, it would make sense to expand it to include all areas that are part of Palestine (region), as archaeologically and historically speaking they firmly belong together. This is about the study of the past, has nothing to do with a modern conflict, and is the last place where the freaking conflict should be allowed to influence proper academic work. It shouldn't be too hard to grasp that current events are not the only and ultimate measure for everything. Avoid all controversial terms, as good as it goes, and keep this gazetteer together, as has been done in the past by luminaries more deserving of respect than all of us taken together. Mountains and valleys create routes and roads, water courses and the rest of topography unite in terms of geography and therefore also of civilisation and history, this all doesn't change in decades and not even in centuries. Let's pull our heads out of it. Be brave and jump over your own, short shadow! Arminden (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There is a page List of archaeological excavations in Jerusalem which could be made use of if the intention is actually apolitical. I have a hard time believing this when I look at the table and see City of David written there (a marketing gimmick that hides a bunch of actual excavations that are in.....Silwan (Kenyon, Weil as well as the parking lot, etc etc). I am more than ever beginning to think we need pages List of archaeological sites in Palestine and List of archaeological sites in (occupìed) East Jerusalem to counter the POV here.Selfstudier (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Orphan article, hidden from view

Bolter21 hi. It's quite a project you've started here. Not sure how it will work out, but for now it's completely "hidden from view": I didn't know it exists until I made a search for a seldom mentioned site. You need to link it through dozens of cross-references with all the other relevant pages, and that means: from both sides. You can use "see also", hatnotes (at least in theory), and definitely create a category called like this article, and add it to all the listed sites. That would push it into the limelight. Since May 2019 you've been more or less the only contributor, there probably aren't too many non-editing visitors either, and it's a pity. Cheers, and keep up the good work! Arminden (talk) 02:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

This list is actually already linked to the articles of Israel and Archaeology of Israel. Maybe creating a template for archaeological sites in Israel can be a good spot to put it. At the moment it gets an average of 10 views per day. And it isn't complete yet. Right now it includes all (or most) of the sites that do have an article, except for sites located in modern villages and cities, which is harder to locate at the moment. Hopefully, soon I'll have the time to finish the list and then maybe split it into regions (Negev, Upper Galilee, Samaria, etc.) and maybe give different colors to sites located in the Palestinian territories. My biggest fear is that people will vote to split the list into archaeological sites in Israel and archaeological sites in Palestine, which also creates serious confusion (putting Gath in Israel and Shiloh in Palestine is quite odd with its symbolic implications). Anyway, this is no work for a single person. I'll try to set the framework and map the tasks so other people could potentially take them in the future as my aspirations are too big and I don't have that much spare time and patience.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 15:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Updates needed on statuses of many sites

Well, seems like a lot of sites may no longer exist after Oct 7, 2023 98.97.33.218 (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)