Talk:Holly Williams (journalist)

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rough work[edit]

Not a good addition to the article. tw^sabin 11:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Still waiting.

173.66.134.81 (talk) 14:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and education[edit]

@173.66.134.81: I am disputing your revert done here: diff. "Early life and education" is practically required when both early life and education content exists in the article, and is short. This is per MOS:OVERSECTION. It is very customary and the number of such articles is measured in tens of thousands: search.

The issue of categorization is so transparent and simple that there is nothing to discuss (but there has been a relevant discussion at WP:AN/3). You have been edit warring to preserve the more general categories and you will need to stop or to be stopped for progress to resume on this issue.

The plethora of quotes are entirely undue. I don't see almost any quote here that enhances or deepens the readers comprehension of the topic.

In tandem with the oversectioning to stretch the article out spatially, the overcategorization, stuffing the article with quotes from the subject, and content such as "X was profiled in Y magazine", and undue detail about early education create an impression that the article promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information.

If you don't accept that these are real and serious issues, hopefully someone will intervene as I can't do much more here. tw^sabin 01:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup templates[edit]

@Njd-de: Hi! Feel free to remove the cleanup templates if/whenever you feel the issues have been addressed to a sufficient degree. tw^sabin 01:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Twsabin, I removed some of them but pls feel free if you think the issues aren't resolved yet. Personally I feel like the article can still need some cleanup. That's why I left the peacock template especially due to phrases about her being mentioned in NYT, profile in Elle, or that she went to Mauritania for interviewing Slahi. I mean it was part of a reference, but what makes it important/relevant to include it ? – NJD-DE (talk) 02:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. I suppose that there's something in the Elle and the NYT piece that could be a due inclusion (apart from any quote), as opposed to the publicity factoid of "X was featured in Y". Probably need some time to take a deeper look at those sources and think how best to approach it. tw^sabin 02:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assertion that Holly Williams could have been born in 1976[edit]

Please provide, precise, accurate facts to support this. Please refer to known, valid citations as well.

[REDACTED - Oshwah] 21:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Tianmen Square happened from 15 April 1989 to 4 June 1989. The source you used said she was 12 at that time. This would mean her date of birth is between 16 April 1976 and 4 June 1977. – NJD-DE (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

76 . 77 . 78 . 79 . 80 . 81 . 82 . 83 . 84 . 85 . 86 . 87 . 88 . 89 . 90
    |(September 1 1976, let's say,                        April 15 ┘||  
    |    hypothetical D.O.B.)                                June 4 ┘|  
Age 0----1----2----3----4----5----6----7----8----9----10---11---12---13-

— tw^sabin 21:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, wow that's very helpful! Thanks both of you for the details.

Chesapeake77 (talk) 22:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! tw^sabin 22:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chesapeake77: Our birthdate policy for living people is that no date should be added unless it is common knowledge - i.e., there are multiple reliable sources for it. We don't guess or approximate for living people because of this policy, though this method would be perfectly fine for those who are no longer living. We may add the year for living people - again, only if there is a reliable source for it. Determining it from a comment in an interview would be original research. See WP:BLPPRIVACY. Skyerise (talk) 16:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Blainster! :)
You readded the birth year in June after it had been removed per this February discussion. I undid the birth year readdition. Just alerting you that this is something that was talked about. —Alalch E. 22:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alalch E. Thanks for the heads up. I added a comment in the Infobox birth_date field pointing to this discussion, to hopefully forestall further misguided changes. Blainster (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No explanation provided in removal of “See also” section[edit]

The “See also” section seemed to be perfectly reasonable to me.

Chesapeake77 (talk) 06:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further research on Wikipedia rules regarding “See also” sections shows that the reverted section in this article was well within guidelines.

Here: MOS:SEEALSO

Chesapeake77 (talk) 13:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Holly Williams (American singer-songwriter) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]