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misguiding infromation about ideology[edit]

this page is misnformed, someone add the islamophobia as bjp's ideology it is ultra fake, because In bjp Constitution says "sarva dharma sama bhavana " all relgions are equal. so pls remove this misguiding information. Gourindian (talk) 02:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gourindian: Any material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. Editors may not add content solely because they believe it is true, nor delete content they believe to be untrue, unless they have verified beforehand with a reliable source.Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth There are many citations provided to support the statement that the Bharatiya Janata Party's ideology is Islamophobic.
  • We could delete the statements saying that Bharatiya Janata Party's ideology is Islamophobic, if you could show that the citations did not say that.
  • We could could add equivocating statements, if you could provide citations that support your claim that it is not Islamophobic. Your interpretation of the BJP's constitution does not count. You need reliable secondary sources.
-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, all of the cited sources are either opinion pieces, or are stating Islamic stories such as Prophet Muhammad married Aisha at the age of 6 and completed the marriage by having sex with her when Aisha was 9 years old. It's available in Wikipedia itself. That does not come in Islamophobia.
Here is a Muslim leader of BJP talking about secularism and it's importance for BJP: https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/secularism-constitutional-moral-commitment-for-bjp-mukhtar-abbas-naqvi/articleshow/87238320.cms 49.35.211.237 (talk) 11:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I've reviewed all the citations - all of which - a couple WP:NEWSOPED - don't support the "ideology of the BJP" — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 18:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

allegations over attempted control over independent democratic institutions[edit]

Over the course of their two consecutive terms, there have been many allegations over alleged attempts over control over ED , SC,electoral commission, in a wider list, even media can be included. Harveyspecter210 (talk) 05:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox parameters[edit]

Two infobox parameter errors → Page using Template:Infobox Indian political party with unknown parameter "farmers" — plus — Page using Template:Infobox Indian political party with unknown parameter "national_convener".

question mark Suggestion — Maybe that content can be incorporated into the body of the article. Isaidnoway (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critics have pointed out that BJP is hardly Right wing economically. (Requested edit since the page is protected)[edit]

Critics have pointed out BJP is in general (mostly) a mixture of conservative social policies, with quite a bunch of left leaning economic policies; the article in misleading in that sense since BJP is mostly opportunistic/pragmatic/populist mixtures than idealistic purity in economics. I would like someone who has the access to this page to actually edit it. These are few of the citations: 1 2 3 4 Averagepcuser (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources are all opinion pieces; per WP:OPED WP:NEWSORG, they don't carry much weight. We need scholarly sources making the same argument. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok thanks! I couldn't find many scholarly sources, I will keep that in mind for my next contribution. I am guessing they(the scholars) might be using the label right-left economic policies in a different way than categorically sorting out policies one by one, but more in the line with typicality of a party belonging to the category relative to others and their historical branding. If this guess of mine is true if BJP was non-hindu secular party on social policies it would be classified as centre to centre-left by the scholars. (I think I should look more into how scholars use this criteria by resisting the human urge of falling into word essentialism) Averagepcuser (talk) 07:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a considerable body of literature showing that the BJP's economic policy has focused on deregulation, which is not a leftist priority. It has undeniably mixed in populist priorities, which we cover; but calling them "leftist" is not something we can do without reliable sources supporting that terminology. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Political Position of the BJP[edit]

Currently it is "Right-Wing". But it should probably be "Right-Wing to Far-Right" in my opinion. Finding scholarly sources for it will certainly be a task, but I can clearly see a case for this.

Speeches like this by the Prime Minister who also happens to be the face of this party should render its position "Far-Right" or at the very least "Right-Wing to Far-Right" https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/choose-between-vote-jihad-and-ram-rajya-pm-modi-at-election-rally-5613571 Faaz Noushad (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any reliable sources describing it as "right-wing to far-right"? Brunton (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The BJP's paramilitary wing, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, is already classified as far-right on its wiki page. It makes logical sense that the political party itself, if not using solely "far-right" to be classified as "right-wing to far-right". Game2Winter (talk) 23:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't one, there is a lot.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] Hidolo (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at two of the sources that Hidolo cited, both described it as "populist radical right".[8][9] They do not say "far right". We need to stick to what sources say. We cannot say that the source says "X", that must mean "Y".
I know that it is sometimes said that the "radical right" are part of the far right,[10] but the people who say this may have an agenda of their own. In any case, Wikipedia policy WP:NOR does not allow us to combine multiple sources to support a statement that none of the sources explicitly support. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
how ever, there are a lot more. And you haven't even seen the other ones. In most far-right parties on English Wikipedia, they mention that it is a subset and they equate it. Please. Hidolo (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You gave a list of seven citations, and I checked two, which did NOT support "far right" (they supported "populist radical right"). If you have citations that explicitly support "far right", then cite just them and quote what they say.-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, Wikipedia itself equates the extreme right with the radical right. See National Rally, Alternative for Germany, etc. Everyone accredits what I mean. What you say goes against Wikipedia itself. Second, here are all the quotes.
3rd one: [...] the Indian far right, as represented by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) [...], p103.
4th one: [...] including the ruling, far-right nativist and authoritarian Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP, see Mudde, 2019) [...], unknown page.
5th one: The indu far-right Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) [...], p158.
6th onw: [...] upper and middle castes joined forces in the far-right Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). p107.
And the last one is a new, you can check for your own.
I can show you so much more sources if you want. Hidolo (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want this to proceed, you need to write a paragraph for the article on the BJP's political position. This needs to cite the kinds of sources you mention and to explain what they say. Please use Template:Cite book. For your "3rd one" this is probably a more useful URL than this because it helps the user find the right bit.
If all you want to do is to change the infobox... that is not going to happen until there is a paragraph in the text about this. The infobox is meant to be a summary, not a replacement for the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would put [The party is widely described as right-wing, but has recently been described as far-right]. And thats it. But I can't modify the article because of the blocking, if you can add it would be corteus, and I would thank you a lot. Hidolo (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
copied from User talk:Hidolo
I want to add the following text in the "ideology and political positions" section. Obviously then in the template:
"The party along the history has been widely described as a right-wing party,[1][2] but has recently been described as far-right one, specifically is considered part of the radical right, a subset of the far-right that does not oppose democracy.[3]" Hidolo (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Malik & Singh 1992, pp. 318–336; Banerjee 2005, p. 3118; BBC 2012.
  2. ^
    • Mogul, Rhea (2024-04-15). "Narendra Modi: India's popular but controversial leader seeking a transformative third term". CNN. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
    • Mehrotra, Karishma; Shih, Gerry (2024-04-20). "As India votes, women and the young could put Modi and BJP over the top". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
    • "Modi's Hindu Nationalist Agenda Is Corroding India's Democracy". World Politics Review. 2023-10-30. Retrieved 2024-05-19.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
    • John, Satish; Sood, Varun (2014-06-18). "IT firms like SAP, Oracle helped Bharatiya Janata Party mount successful election campaign". The Economic Times. ISSN 0013-0389. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
    • "Hindu nationalism is a threat to Muslims and India's status as the world's largest democracy". Los Angeles Times. 2022-02-16. Retrieved 2024-05-19.
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