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Effects - divestments?[edit]

As this article is now evolving to a more encyclopedic format, one of the key questions a reader will ask is "To what degree did the protests lead to divestment from Israel?" At least some US universities have to some degree accepted this demand by the protestors. Some of this info is probably in the Reactions section, but would be worth a section either in the Overview section or as a subsection of Responses / United States. Boud (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never found must content on this, but slowly it's surfacing, even if in a very vague manner [1]. I think it'd make sure sense as a sub-section of Overview, as an Effects section, rather than in Response (which is broadly more opinion based than fact based). CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overview/Effects sounds reasonable. That ref states "Brown, Northwestern and Rutgers" agreements as "standing out". A couple of other refs adding depth to that and that look usable:

Brown: https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/04/brown-university-to-vote-on-divestment-at-october-corporation-meeting-encampment-to-be-voluntarily-cleared
Rutgers: https://dailytargum.com/article/2024/05/encampment-ends-peacefully-despite-police-presence-students-reach-deal-with
Minnesota: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/05/02/university-of-minnesota-protests-divestment-agreement
Glasgow apparently has had divestment (in this context and other ethical contexts) ongoing for a long time (refs = ...?)

Boud (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/05/06/trinity-college-dublin-to-divest-from-investments-in-israeli-companies-that-feature-on-a-united-nations-blacklist

Boud (talk) 12:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al Jazeera English has a 7 May list "Which universities have agreed to specific student demands?": https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/7/pro-palestine-protests-how-some-universities-reached-deals-with-students

Boud (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks for that last reference, that covers it well, so I made a start on an Effects section. Possibly it should be renamed to Impact though. Will add content from Irish Times when I find a moment. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to feed me any other reliable sources to improve the section. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request title change to include the word "college"[edit]

I suggest that the title be renamed "2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university and college campuses." This new title would be more inclusive, and it may also be easier to find using search engines. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please look up the word College and understand the differing meanings between the U.S. and the rest of the world. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's your point? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

College doesn't mean universities most of the time, the term in the U.S. is different to the rest of the world, so the title would be inaccurate. It mainly describes further and secondary education. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about people using search engines. Adding the word "college" could increase the number who find the article. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Counter protests[edit]

Should there be mention of counter-protests, like this one at the University of Mississippi? [2]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/06/university-of-mississippi-palestine-counter-protest-investigation Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, now that I've established the Impacts section, it's on my radar to include a counter-protests section as is very much due. If you you could provide any more RS it'd be much appreciated. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UCSD police action[edit]

Should material be added about today's police raid at UCSD on their encampment? Their encampment had been entirely peaceful with no incidents between protesters and outside individuals, and yet, after needed expansion of the encampment due to overcrowding due to the university canceling the annual music festival due to the protest and people joining the protest in solidarity who otherwise would have been at said music festival, the university cited this expansion, as well as the encampment refusing entry to police and fire marshalls, as an act of aggression and sent in armed riot police and border patrol, arrested 40 students and 24 non-students, and dismantled the encampment, and the chancellor basically shut the entire west campus down, forced all classes online-only, and instituted a state of police martial law for the following 25 hours. 68.8.84.138 (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add what you have, with sources, on the list page here. I've already added some, but not as much as you have. Kire1975 (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the relevant information comes from administrative emails to students. How would I cite these? 68.8.84.138 (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Netherlands and Belgium to the list of "other countries" in infobox[edit]

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Please change the list of other countries in the infobox from:

Other countries

Argentina
Australia
Canada
Egypt
Finland
France
Germany
India
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Mexico
Spain
United Kingdom
Yemen

to

Other countries

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Egypt
Finland
France
Germany
India
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Mexico
The Netherlands
Spain
United Kingdom
Yemen

Source: [3]

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added Belgium and the Netherlands to List_of_pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses_in_2024#Other_countries. I'm not sure how adding just them to the infobox on this article is going to improve anything. Thanks for the new source. Kire1975 (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Looks like they've been added to the infobox. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2024[edit]

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Please add this:- It was claimed that Rockefeller Brothers Fund, WESPAC, George Soros and Howard Horowitz were funding the protests through the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and others but these were denied by the foundations of Soros.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7] DieAchtung (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done If correct, this doesn't seem directly relevant to the protests, only to some of the participating groups. I suggest you create this request at the relevant articles: Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP); for inclusion there if the information is accurate and considered relevant. Also WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:NYPOST (where the claims originate from) are far from reliable sources CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Section on student expulsions and due process?[edit]

Should there be a section on student expulsions and due process? [4]https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/05/06/college-protests-suspensions-expulsion-arrests/ Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is enough content sure. Otherwise it should probably go into the Participants section. One reference doesn't look like it'd be enough for an entire section though. Do you have more sources available? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNBC is another source. They report 100 students being suspended. [5]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/07/college-protests-some-students-may-also-face-financial-setbacks.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the NY Times reported on suspensions and expulsions as an administrative tactic. [6]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/us/politics/colleges-protests-israel-war.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 May 2024[edit]

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What I think should be changed: Change all instances of "Israel-Hamas war protests", such as the one in the map caption, to "pro-Palestinian protests".
Why it should be changed: Many protestors would say that they are not protesting the Israel-Hamas war, but rather the genocide and war crimes committed by the IDF and the occupation of Palestine. Further, the article title already uses "pro-Palestinian" instead of "Israel-Hamas war", and the rest of the article should be changed to align with that.

Amyipdev (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The Israel-Hamas war is a biased frame that favors the Palestinian genocide. Israel is a nation state while Hamas is a political party. Most of the casualties have little or no affiliation with Hamas. Do we know what percentage of US protesters support Hamas? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. From searching the term, the references to Israel–Hamas war include "as a part of wider Israel–Hamas war protests" in the lead and in the background, which is very much accurate. Do you have other examples I'm missing? Pro-Palestinian protests is otherwise references numerous times, more so than Israel–Hamas war protests. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. At this point, I think a lot of readers would have trouble considering "Israel-Hamas War" as neutral framing, no matter how many NYT articles say otherwise. Snokalok (talk) 10:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Yemeni Public[edit]

At the end of the other countries section it says "This was met with ridicule from the Yemeni public." but that's not in the source at all. Anyone with permissions wanna change that? Gabecube45 (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done by an astute editor during copy editing in this edit CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we make a table of universities, number of faculty arrests, student arrests, etc?[edit]

I think it'd be useful for organizing information Snokalok (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That would be a valuable addition. But maybe it should be in the other article that lists the protests? Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could I get a wikilink to that article? Snokalok (talk) 03:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in 2024. CNN has one of the best lists at the moment [7]. Given the size of that article, a list of arrests could well be a standalone article. Something like "List of pro-Palestinian protest arrests on university campuses in 2024", or it could fit here for now I think. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanderbilt University Occupation in Background Section?[edit]

In this chronology, the Vanderbilt University 20 hour-occupation, which involved multiple arrests, suspensions, and expulsions seems to be ignored. It's mentioned in a NY Times article that discusses administrative tactics. According to the NYT "Vanderbilt University issued what are believed to be the first student expulsions over protests related to the Israel-Hamas conflict." While the NY Times did not tell the full story from a student perspective, it does seem to be important. [8]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/us/politics/colleges-protests-israel-war.html Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done added to Background, thanks for info and reference. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add citation need after the protest "led by anti-Zionist groups"[edit]

As the title suggest, the framing of the pro-palestine protestors as anti-zionist is misleading and there are no secondary sources supporting that's was the reason for the protestors 212.29.194.49 (talk) 17:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References 11 and 12 both have quotes to support the label EvergreenFir (talk) 17:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The headline of 9 sources disagree with it and labeled them as "pro-palestine", not ant-zionist, this is clearly not how the protestors wish to be labeled and in face a "white wash" label of the protest. 212.29.194.49 (talk) 18:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13353941/George-soros-paying-left-wing-activists-college-protest-camp.html

[2] ttps://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/student-campus-protests-veteran-activist-groups-17ccd094

[3] ttps://nypost.com/2024/04/26/us-news/mondaire-jones-jamaal-bowman-take-campaign-donations-from-soros-groups-funding-antisemitic-college-encampments/

[4] ttps://www.timesofisrael.com/donations-to-major-pro-palestinian-groups-go-through-this-jewish-chaired-ny-nonprofit/

[5] ttps://thehill.com/homenews/house/4640096-johnson-george-soros-campus-protests/

[6] ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/26/dishonest-ironic-push-blame-campus-protests-george-soros/

[7] ttps://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2024/05/03/fact-checking-claims-that-george-soros-is-paying-student-radicals-to-protest/73559973007/

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