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List of UEFA club tournament winning managers List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winning managers - List of UEFA Cup winning managers - List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup winning managers - List of UEFA Super Cup winning managers

All articles in this proposed featured topic are featured lists. The main page for the topic is an accurate and well illustrated overview of the child lists. The statistics are double-checked by the use of decent secondary sources and all child lists are well referenced and also illustrated. Overall I think the consistent style across all five lists, along with the references and images makes this an ideal candidate for a featured topic. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Easily meets the criteria, and a great set of lists which seemed to pop out of nowhere. Well done. Mattythewhite (talk) 09:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fantastic set of lists which are fully deserving of featured topic status NapHit (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I supported all these lists when nominated at FLC, and see no reason why they shouldn't be grouped together for a featured topic. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 04:34, 27 March, 2008
  • Comment Please could you explain why the UEFA Intertoto Cup has been omitted from the topic. Granted, it's less prestigious than the three major trophies, but it is a UEFA club tournament, and (WP:OR alert) rather more competitive than the UEFA Super Cup, which is basically a glorified friendly. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Had expected this. There is no outright Cup winner really in the tournament, and the rules have changed recently to allow eleven clubs to "win" qualification with the "actual winner" being the one who progresses furthest in the UEFA Cup. I didn't really consider this to be needed but should it be considered essential then I'll have to do it. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd agree the pre-2006 format doesn't readily lend itself to a list of winning managers, and it'd unbalance your main article totals table something awful. But excluding the Intertoto while including the Super Cup does strike me as leaving a gap in the topic. Perhaps others would disagree. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -If that other tournament has no winning manager, then it is not a gap to exclude it as this is for tournament winning managers. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment just for clarification: the Intertoto Cup is a UEFA club tournament which does have winners, and hence winning managers; until two seasons ago it had three winners per edition, and now has one. What it doesn't have is a unique "final" or "playoff" game. The Super Cup isn't a tournament, it's an exhibition game played originally between the winners of the European Cup and Cupwinners Cup, now between the winners of the Champions League and UEFA Cup (see UEFA site). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support —Per above. Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 17:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also discussed this with TRM before this nom. As I don't believe any Intertoto winners receive an actual cup, if the topic name were amended to "...club cup..." instead of "...club tournament..." would that address the point? --Dweller (talk) 12:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that's the case? This would appear to indicate otherwise. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bastogne. OK, back to the drawing board. --Dweller (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note to all, supporters and commentators - thanks for all your time and efforts so far here. I've concluded that Struway2 is right and the list would be incomplete without Intertoto Cup winning managers. Despite being in a relatively strong position of support I still feel it only right to withdraw this FTC and work on filling in the gaps. Thanks again to you all. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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